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Menachos 19
MENACHOS 19 - anonymously dedicated by an Ohev Torah and Marbitz Torah in
Baltimore, Maryland, formerly of Ramat Beit Shemesh, Israel.
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1) THE SOURCE OF THE ARGUMENT
(a) Question: What is Chachamim's reason?
(b) Answer: "V'Yotzak Aleha Shemen...Ve'Hevi'ah El Benei
Aharon ha'Kohanim v'Komatz" - only after Kemitzah,
Kohanim must do the Avodah, but Yetzikah and Belilah of a
Zar are Kesherim.
(c) (Implied question): Why does R. Shimon argue?
(d) Answer #1: He says that "Benei Aharon ha'Kohanim" is
expounded to refer to what precedes it (Yetzikah) and
after it (Kemitzah).
(e) Objection: Elsewhere, R. Shimon does not expound what
comes before and after!
1. (Beraisa): "V'Lakach...b'Etzba'o" - This teaches
that Kabalah must be with the right hand.
2. "B'Etzba'o v'Nasan" - This teaches that Zerikah must
be with the right hand.
3. R. Shimon: It does not say 'Yad' regarding Kabalah,
therefore, if it was done with the left hand it is
Kosher.
4. (Abaye): They argue whether "B'Etzba'o" is expounded
to refer to what comes earlier (Kabalah) and/or
later (Zerikah) in the verse.
(f) Answer #2: R. Shimon says that the 'Vov'
("V'Yotzak...*Ve*'Hevi'ah El Benei Aharon") connects the
latter Parshah (Kemitzah) to the former (Yetzikah), i.e.
also Yetzikah requires Kehunah.
(g) Question (Beraisa): "V'Shochat...V'Hikrivu Benei Aharon
ha'Kohanim" - from Kabalah and onwards, Kohanim must do
the Avodah;
1. This teaches that a Zar may slaughter.
2. If R. Shimon expounds a 'Vov' to connect Parshiyos,
he should also expound "V'Shochat...*V*'Hikrivu
Benei Aharon" to disqualify slaughter of a Zar!
(h) Answer: There it says "V'Samach...v'Shochat"- just like
Semichah of a Zar is Kosher, also slaughter.
(i) Question: If so, we should say, just like Semichah must
be by the owner, also slaughter!
(j) Answer #1: A Kal va'Chomer teaches that the owner need
not slaughter:
1. Zerikah is the primary Mechaper, it need not be by
the owner, all the more so slaughter, which is not
the main atonement!
(k) Objection: Perhaps we cannot learn from Zerikah, for
(usually) it cannot be done by the owner, for it requires
Kehunah, but slaughter could be done by the owner!
(l) Answer #2: "V'Shochat Es Par ha'Chatas *Asher Lo*" - the
Par of Yom Kipur must belong to the slaughterer (the
Kohen Gadol), but normally, the owner need not slaughter
it.
2) WHAT TEACHES THAT SOMETHING IS "ME'AKEV"?
(a) (Rav): Wherever the Torah says 'Torah' and 'Chukah', it
is Me'akev.
1. We are thinking that this is only when it says both
of them, e.g. "Zos Chukas ha'Torah..."
(b) Question #1: Regarding Nazir, it says only Torah, yet Rav
taught that it is Me'akev that a Nazir do Tenufah!
(c) Answer: There it says "Ken Ya'aseh", it is as if it says
Chukah.
(d) Question #2: Regarding Todah, it says only Torah;
1. (Mishnah): A Todah is brought with four kinds of
bread, they are Me'akev each other.
(e) Answer: Todah is Hukash to Nazir;
1. "Al Zevach Todas Shelamav" - this includes Shalmei
Nazir.
(f) Question #3: Regarding Metzora, it says only Torah;
1. (Mishnah): The four species used for Taharas Metzora
(cedar, hyssop, scarlet thread and birds) are
Me'akev each other.
2. Answer: There it says "Zos Tihyeh Toras ha'Metzora",
it is as if it says Chukah.
(g) Question #4: Regarding Yom Kipur, it says only Chukah;
1. (Mishnah): The two goats of Yom Kipur are Me'akev
each other.
(h) Retraction: Rather, Rav meant wherever the Torah says
'Torah' *or* Chukah', it is Me'akev.
(i) Question: Regarding other Korbanos, it says "Zos
ha'*Torah* la'Olah la'Minchah...", yet Haktaras Eimurim
(of Zevachim) and Hagashah (of Menachos) are not Me'akev!
(j) Retraction: When it says Torah, it is not Me'akev unless
it also says Chukah; when it says Chukah, even without
Torah, it is Me'akev.
(k) Question: But Rav said wherever the Torah says 'Torah'
*or* Chukah'!
(l) Answer: He means, even if it says Torah, it is not
Me'akev unless it also says Chukah.
(m) Question: Regarding Menachos it says Chukah, yet Rav
taught that wherever the Torah repeats something
regarding a Minchah, it is Me'akev;
1. Inference: A matter that is not repeated is not
Me'akev!
(n) Answer #1: It says Chukah regarding *eating* Menachos,
this does not teach Ikuv Hakravah.
(o) Objection: It says Chukah regarding eating Lechem
ha'Panim (yet we learn Ikuv from this)!
1. (Mishnah): The two Sedarim are Me'akev each other,
the two Bazichim are Me'akev each other.
2. Conclusion: Even when it says Chukah regarding
eating, this teaches Ikuv Hakravah!
(p) Answer #2: Menachos are different, for it says
"Mi'Garshah umi'Shamnah" - only Geresh (i.e. Soles flour)
and oil are Me'akev.
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3) WHAT IS "ME'AKEV" THE "MENACHOS"
(a) (Rav): Wherever the Torah repeats something regarding a
Minchah, it is Me'akev.
(b) (Shmuel): Only Geresh and oil are Me'akev.
(c) Question: Does Shmuel really hold that when the Torah
repeats something, it is not Me'akev?!
(d) Answer: Surely, he agrees that when the Torah repeats
something, it is Me'akev - rather, he and Rav argue about
"Melo Kumtzo" and "B'Kumtzo":
1. (Beraisa): "Melo Kumtzo" and "B'Kumtzo" - these
teach that Kemitzah must be done with the hand, a
Kohen may not use a Kli that holds as much as his
Kometz.
2. Rav says that this is Me'akev, for the Torah
repeated it - Va'Yakrev Es ha'Minchah va'Ymalei
Chapo Mimenah";
3. Shmuel does not learn from this, for it applies to
the Milu'im, we do not learn Kodshei Doros from
Kodshei Sha'ah.
(e) Question: Shmuel does learn Kodshei Doros from Kodshei
Sha'ah!
1. (Mishnah): Klei Lach (Klei Shares that hold liquids)
are Mekadesh liquids, dry measures are Mekadesh dry
(Kodshim);
2. Klei Lach are not Mekadesh dry, dry measures are not
Mekadesh liquids.
3. (Shmuel): This only applies to (liquid) measures,
but buckets (even though they hold liquids, i.e.
blood) are Mekadesh dry;
i. We learn from the Menachos in the buckets
donated by the Nesi'im - "Shneihem Mele'im
Soles".
(f) Answer: There is different, since it is repeated 12
times, we learn Doros from Sha'ah.
(g) Question (Rav Kahana and Rav Asi): The Torah repeated
Hagashah, yet it is not Me'akev!
1. Question: Where is it repeated?
2. Answer: "Zos Toras ha'Minchah Hakrev Osah...Lifne
Hash-m".
(h) Answer: There it is repeated to teach about where
Hagashah is done
1. (Beraisa) Suggestion: "Lifnei Hash-m" - perhaps
Hagashah is in the west!
2. Rejection: "El Penei ha'Mizbe'ach".
3. Suggestion: "El Penei ha'Mizbe'ach" - perhaps
Hagashah is in the south!
4. Rejection: "Lifnei Hash-m".
i. To fulfill both verses, it suffices to do
Hagashah at the edge of the southwest corner.
5. Suggestion (R. Eliezer): Perhaps Hagashah may be
done at the southern or western side of the
southwest corner!
6. Rejection: If there are two verses and it is
possible to fulfill both of them, we do so, rather
than fulfilling one in a way that precludes
fulfilling the other;
i. If Hagashah would be done on the west side, we
would not fulfill "El Penei ha'Mizbe'ach";
ii. By doing it on the south, we also fulfill
"Lifne Hash-m".
7. (Rav Ashi): R. Eliezer holds that the entire
Mizbe'ach is in the north (so the south side faces
the Heichal, it is "Lifnei Hash-m".)
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