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Menachos 18
1) INTENT TO LEAVE OVER
(a) Answer #2: There is a three-way argument in the Beraisa:
1. The first Tana holds that they argue about improper
intents, all agree that intent to leave over is
Kosher;
2. R. Yehudah holds that they argue about improper
intents, all agree that intent to leave over is
Pasul;
i. Question: What is the reason?
ii. Answer: We decree that intent to leave some of
the blood (until tomorrow) is Pasul on account
of intent to leave all of the blood, which is
Pasul mid'Oraisa;
iii. (Beraisa - R. Yehudah): You (Chachamim) agree
with me that if he left all of the blood until
tomorrow, it is Pasul (Zerikah was not done) -
also intent to leave all of the blood is Pasul!
3. R. Elazar says that they argue even about intent to
leave over, R. Eliezer is Posel, Chachamim Machshir.
(b) Question (Beraisa - Rebbi): When I went to learn from R.
Elazar ben Shamu'a (to clarify my doubts, or to learn
what R. Elazar knew that I did not), I saw Yosef ha'Bavli
learning in front of him.
1. Yosef: If one slaughtered a Korban with intent to
leave some of the blood until tomorrow, what is the
law?
2. R. Elazar: It is Kosher.
3. R. Elazar repeated this answer that night, the next
morning, and noontime. In the afternoon, he said 'It
is Kosher, R. Eliezer is Posel.' Yosef beamed with
delight.
4. R. Elazar: Do you think that what I said until now
was not correct?!
5. Yosef: What you said until now was fine;
i. I was delighted to hear that R. Eliezer is
Posel, for R. Yehudah taught this to me, and I
did not find anyone else who said so until now
- you returned what I had lost (I feared,
perhaps I forgot what I heard!)
6. R. Elazar: Happy are Chachamim, that Torah is so
dear to them - "Mah Ahavti Sorasecha";
i. Because R. Yehudah's father (R. Ilai) was a
Talmid of R. Eliezer, he taught him R.
Eliezer's opinion (that it is Pasul), even
though it is not the Halachah.
7. Summation of question: If R. Yehudah holds that all
Posel intent to leave over, this is unlike R. Elazar
(who said that they argue about this, Yosef would
not have rejoiced to hear unlike what he was
taught!)
8. Counter-question: You infer that R. Elazar taught
exactly like R. Yehudah, i.e. it is Kosher, R.
Eliezer is Posel;
i. If so, why did R. Elazar say that R. Yehudah
taught thusly because he heard from his father,
who was a Talmid of R. Eliezer - R. Elazar
taught just the same!
(c) Answer: Rather, R. Yehudah taught (Stam) that all Tana'im
are Posel;
1. Yosef said 'You returned what I had lost', for at
least he found someone else who says that (at least
one Tana holds that) such intent is Posel.
2) WHICH AVODOS ARE "ME'AKEV"
(a) (Mishnah): (Even) if any of the following was not done to
a Minchah, it is Kosher:
1. Yetzikah (the third application of oil), Blilah
(mixing with oil), Petisah (breaking it into
pieces), salting, Tenufah, Hagashah
2. If it was broken into big (or many) pieces, or if
oil was not smeared on it, it is Kosher.
(b) (Gemara) Question: What does it mean 'Yetzikah was not
done'?
1. Suggestion: It was not done at all.
2. Rejection: The Torah teaches that it is Me'akev (by
repeating the command to do it; alternatively, it
says "V'Yatzakta...Minchah Hi", implying that
without Yetzikah, it is not a Minchah.)
(c) Answer: A Kohen did not do Yetzikah, rather, a Yisrael
did.
(d) Question: If so, we should say similarly regarding
Blilah, a Kohen did not do Belilah, rather, a Yisrael
did;
1. Inference: If Belilah was not done at all, it is
Pasul.
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2. Rejection (Mishnah): A Minchah of up to 60 Esronim
of flour (may be brought in one vessel, for it) can
be mixed with the oil, but 61 cannot (for only one
Log of oil is put in a vessel; some explain, even
though one Log is put for each Isaron, there is not
room to mix 61.)
i. Question: Why does it matter whether or not it
can be mixed - our Mishnah teaches, even if
Belilah was not done, it is Kosher!
ii. Answer (R. Zeira): If a Minchah could have been
mixed, mixing is not Me'akev; if it could not
have been mixed, (e.g. it is too big), mixing
is Me'akev (i.e. it is Pasul.)
(e) Answer: Blilah need not be like Yetzikah!
1. Yetzikah was done by a Zar, not a Kohen; Belilah was
not done at all.
(f) (Mishnah): If it was broken into big pieces...
(g) Question: The Mishnah taught that if Petisah was not done
at all, it is Kosher, all the more so (partial Petisah
was done, i.e.) if it was broken into big pieces!
(h) Answer #1: It means, if it was broken into *many* pieces
(even though they are too small, it is Kosher.)
(i) Answer #2: Really, it means, it was broken into big
pieces;
(j) One might have thought that when Petisah was not done at
all (except for Kemitzah), it is Kosher, for the loaves
are (virtually) whole, but if it was broken into big
pieces, we do not have whole loaves nor proper Petitim
(pieces), it is Pasul - the Mishnah teaches, this is not
so.
(k) Suggestion: If a Zar did Yetzikah, our Mishnah is
Machshir - this is unlike R. Shimon!
1. (Beraisa - R. Shimon): If a Kohen denies that Hash-m
commanded about the Avodah, he gets no share in
Kodshim - "Hamakriv...Lo Tihyeh...l'Manah".
2. Question: This only teaches that he must admit to
Holachah - how do we know that he must admit to the
other 15 Avodos, namely Yetzikah (putting oil on a
Minchah), Blilah, breaking the Minchah into pieces,
salting, Tenufah, bringing close to the Altar,
Kemitzah, Haktarah, Melikah, Kabalah, sprinkling
blood, giving a Sotah to drink, Eglah Arufah,
Taharah of a Metzora, to give Birkas Kohanim in and
outside the Mikdash?
3. Answer: "Mi'Benei Aharon" - if a Kohen does not
admit to all the Avodos of Kohanim, he has no share
of Kodshim.
(l) Version #1 - Rejection (Rav Nachman): It is even like R.
Shimon - our Mishnah discusses Minchas Yisrael, the
Beraisa discusses Minchas Kohanim;
1. Minchas Yisrael requires Kemitzah, the Torah teaches
that only *after* Kemitzah, Kohanim must do the
Avodah;
2. Minchas Kohanim does not require Kemitzah, Kohanim
must do the Avodah from the beginning.
(m) Objection (Rava): We learn that Minchas Kohanim needs
Yetzikah from Minchas Yisrael - we should say, just like
Yetzikah of a Zar is Kosher for Minchas Yisrael, also for
Minchas Kohanim!
(n) Version #2 - Rejection (Rav Nachman): It is even like R.
Shimon - our Mishnah discusses Menachos that require
Kemitzah, the Beraisa discusses Menachos that do not;
1. In Menachos that require Kemitzah, the Torah teaches
that only after Kemitzah, Kohanim must do the
Avodah;
2. In Menachos that do not require Kemitzah, Kohanim
must do the Avodah from the beginning.
(o) Objection (Rava): We learn Yetzikah in Menachos that do
not require Kemitzah from Menachos that require it - we
should say, just like Yetzikah of a Zar is Kosher for the
latter, also for the former! (End of Version #2)
(p) Affirmation: Indeed, our Mishnah is unlike R. Shimon.
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