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Chulin 120
CHULIN 120 (2 Sivan) - This Daf has been dedicated in memory of Harry
Bernard Zuckerman, Baruch Hersh ben Yitzchak (and Miryam Toba), by his
children and sons-in-law.
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1) IS HAIR A "YAD" OR "SHOMER"?
(a) Version #2 - (Mishnah): The following can join with meat
for the Shi'ur for Tum'as Ochlim, but not for Tum'as
Neveilah - skin, Rotev, spices...
(b) (Reish Lakish): This applies only to bones (and skin...),
which are Shomrim, but not hair.
(c) (R. Yochanan): Even hair is a Shomer.
(d) Question (Reish Lakish): Can there be a Shomer (hair) for
a Shomer (the skin)?
(e) Answer (R. Yochanan): Hair is rooted in the skin.
1. Question (Rav Acha bar Yakov): If so, how can we
write Tefilin, we must have a pure writing!
2. Answer: We can answer like Chachamim of Eretz
Yisrael taught - we are not concerned for any hole
that the ink passes over.
(f) Question (R. Yochanan - Mishnah): If skin (of a Neveilah)
has k'Zayis of meat on it, one who touches a strand or a
hair opposite the meat becomes Tamei.
1. Suggestion: The hair is Metamei because it is a
Shomer.
(g) Answer: No, it is a Yad.
(h) Question: One hair cannot serve like a Yad!
(i) Answer: We can answer like R. Ila'a taught, when there
are many strands at the top of a sheaf, each is a Yad,
because one can take it by all the strands;
1. Similarly, when there are many hairs, each is a Yad.
(j) Question: Where was R. Ila'a's law taught?
(k) Answer (Mishnah): Strands at the top of sheaves bring
Tum'ah and are Metamei, but they do not join for the
Shi'ur for Tum'ah.
1. Question: What can the strands be used for (why are
they considered Yados)?
2. Answer (R. Ila'a): The case is, there are many
strands at the top of a sheaf.
2) THE ROTEV
(a) (Mishnah): The Rotev...(joins for Tum'as Ochlim).
(b) Question: What is Rotev?
(c) Answer #1 (Rava): It is fat.
(d) Objection (Abaye): Fat itself has Tum'as Ochlim!
(e) Answer #2 (Abaye): It is congealed juice of the meat.
(f) Question: Why must we say that it congealed - even if did
not, it joins for the Shi'ur of Tum'ah!
1. (Reish Lakish): Brine on vegetables joins to the
quantity of a date (to be liable for eating on Yom
Kipur).
(g) Answer: Liability for eating on Yom Kipur depends on what
calms the mind of someone fasting (for this, a liquid on a
solid helps like a solid);
1. For Tum'ah, it joins only if it is congealed.
3) LIQUIDS ARE LIKE SOLIDS
(a) (Mishnah): And Kipah...
(b) Question: What is Kipah?
(c) Answer #1 (Rava): It is dregs of meat.
(d) Objection (Abaye): Dregs themselves have Tum'as Ochlim!
(e) Answer #2 (Rav Papa): It is spices (cooked with the
meat).
(f) (Mishnah): If Reuven cooked blood until it hardened and
one ate it, or if one melted Chelev and drank it, he is
liable.
(g) Question: We understand the first law - by hardening the
blood, he shows that he considers it important;
1. Why is he liable for drinking melted Chelev - the
Torah said not to *eat* Chelev, drinking is not
eating!
(h) Answer (Reish Lakish): "A soul [that will eat Chelev]" -
this includes one who drinks (for this also satisfies the
soul).
(i) (Beraisa): If one melted Chametz and drank it he is
Chayav Kares; if one dissolved Matzah and drank it, he
did not fulfill the Mitzvah.
(j) Question: We understand the latter law - this is not
"bread of poverty" that we are commanded to eat;
1. Why is he Chayav Kares for drinking melted Chametz-
the Torah said not to *eat* it!
(k) Answer (Reish Lakish): "A soul [that will eat Chametz]"
includes one who drinks.
(l) (Beraisa): If one melted the Nivlas Of Tahor using fire,
one who drinks it becomes Tamei;
1. If he melted it in the sun, one who drinks it does
not became Tamei.
(m) Question: Why does he become Tamei for drinking it - the
Torah spoke of one who *eats* it!
(n) Answer (Reish Lakish): "A soul [that will eat the
Neveilah of a Tahor bird]" includes one who drinks.
(o) Question: If so, even if he melted it in the sun, he
should become Tamei if he drinks it!
(p) Answer: It spoils before it melts.
4) WHY ALL THE VERSES ARE NECESSARY
(a) The Torah had to teach all three cases:
1. If it only taught about Chelev, we could not learn
to Chametz, for [Chelev is more stringent and] it
was never permitted;
i. Also, we could not learn to Neveilah, for one
who eats Chelev is Chayav Kares;
2. If it only taught about Chametz, we could not learn
to Chelev, for [Chametz is more stringent because]
it is never wholly permitted (like Chelev is, as we
will explain);
i. Also, we could not learn to Neveilah, for one
who eats Chametz is Chayav Kares;
3. If it only taught about Neveilah, we could not learn
to Chametz or Chelev, for Neveilah is more
stringent, it is Metamei.
(b) Suggestion: Perhaps one of them can be learned from the
other two!
(c) Question: Which could be learned?
1. We cannot learn Neveilah from the others (they are
more stringent) - one who eats Chelev or Chametz is
Chayav Kares!
2. We cannot learn Chametz from the others - they were
never permitted!
3. We cannot learn Chelev from the others - they are
never wholly permitted!
4. Question: Where do we find that Chelev is wholly
permitted?
i. Suggestion: Chelev of Behemos is offered on the
Mizbe'ach.
ii. Rejection: We also offer Neveilah on the
Mizbe'ach, i.e. birds killed through Melikah!
5. Answer: Rather, Chelev of Chayos is permitted.
6. Question: Also Neveilah is wholly permitted, Kohanim
eat Chatas ha'Of!
7. Answer: Chelev of Chayos is permitted to people;
i. Chatas ha'Of is Kodesh, Hash-m allows Kohanim
to eat it, even though it is Neveilah - but we
never find that Neveilah is [directly]
permitted to people.
(d) (Beraisa): "*Ha*'Teme'im (Sheratzim)" - the extra 'Hei'
forbids their brine, Rotev and Kipah.
(e) Question: Why is a verse needed - we should learn from
these three (Chelev, Chametz and Neveilah)!
(f) Answer: The verse is needed - one is liable for any of
the three only if he ate a k'Zayis, we cannot learn from
them to Mechayev for less than a k'Zayis. (But one is
liable for k'Adashah (a lentil's worth) of Sheratzim,
"Ha'Teme'im" obligates for a k'Adashah of their brine,
Rotev and Kipah.)
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(g) Question: Why can't the three be learned from Sheratzim?
(h) Answer: Sheratzim are more stringent, a tiny amount
(k'Adashah) of them is Metamei (and is Mechayev one who
eats it)..
(i) (Beraisa): Regarding the following Isurim, liquids that
come from a solid are like the solid:
1. Tevel (untithed produce), Chadash (grain planted
after Pesach, it is forbidden until the day the Omer
is brought (the second day of the coming Pesach),
Hekdesh, Shemitah, and Kil'ayim.
(j) Question: What is the source of this?
(k) Answer #1: We learn from the above four Isurim.
(l) Question: In the four Isurim, the Isurim come
automatically;
1. We cannot learn to Isurim which do not come
automatically (Rashi - Hekdesh; Tosfos - Kil'ayim)!
(m) Answer #2: That is learned from Bikurim.
1. Question: What is the source that liquids of Bikurim
are like solids?
2. Answer (Beraisa - R. Yosi): "Fruit" - fruit is
brought for Bikurim, not liquids.
3. Question: What is the source that if grapes were
brought and they were made into wine, that the wine
is considered Bikurim?
4. Answer: "You will bring" is extra to include this.
(n) Objection: We cannot learn from Bikurim, for they require
Kri'ah and Hanachah (reciting verses and placing them on
the ground)!
(o) Answer #3: We learn from Terumah.
1. Question: What is the source that liquids of Terumah
are like solids?
2. Answer: The Torah equates Terumah to Bikurim.
i. "Terumas Yadecha" refers to Bikurim.
(p) Objection: We cannot learn from Terumah, [because it is
more stringent in that a Zar who eats it is Chayavei
Misah bi'Ydei Shamayim (if Mezid), or (if he ate
b'Shogeg) adds a fifth (when paying for what he ate)!
(q) Answer #4: We learn from [a Tzad ha'Shavah of] Terumah
and Bikurim.
(r) Objection: These stringencies apply to both Terumah and
Bikurim!
(s) Answer #5: We learn from Terumah (or Bikurim) and one of
the above (Rashi - Chametz or Neveilah; Tosfos - Neveilah
or Sheratzim).
5) LIQUIDS OF "TERUMAH"
(a) (Mishnah - R. Eliezer): If Terumah fruit was used to make
date honey, apple wine, vinegar (from grapes that never
ripen), or other fruit juice:
1. If a Zar drinks it b'Shogeg, he gives Chulin to the
Kohen (and it becomes Terumah); he gives as much as
he ate plus an added fifth.
(b) R. Yehoshua exempts (from the added fifth; if the Zar did
not own the juice, he pays its value).
(c) Question: What do they argue about?
(d) Answer: They argue whether we say Don Minah u'Minah (when
we learn from a source, we learn all laws from the
source) or Don Minah v'Uki b'Asrah (we learn only the
basic law, other laws are according to the matter we
learn).
1. R. Eliezer holds, Don Minah u'Minah:
i. Regarding Bikurim, liquids of the seven special
species of Eretz Yisrael are like the solid -
similarly, liquids of Terumah (which are
mid'Rabanan, except for wine and oil) are like
the solid.
2. R. Yehoshua holds, Don Minah v'Uki b'Asrah;
i. Regarding Terumah of grapes and olives, which
is mid'Oraisa, the liquid is like the solid -
we do not apply this to juice of other fruits,
for Terumah of other fruits applies only
mid'Rabanan.
(e) (Mishnah): The only liquids we may bring for Bikurim are
wine and olive oil.
1. This is like R. Yehoshua, who holds Don Minah v'Uki
b'Asrah;
2. He learns Bikurim from Terumah.
(f) (Mishnah): The only liquids of Orlah for which one (who
eats them) is lashed are wine and olive oil.
1. This is like R. Yehoshua, who holds Don Minah v'Uki
b'Asrah;
2. He learns Bikurim from Terumah; he learns Orlah from
Bikurim from a Gezeirah Shavah "Pri-Pri."
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