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Chulin 119
1) "YADOS" FOR SMALL AMOUNTS OF FOOD
(a) (Rav): Yad does not apply to less than a k'Zayis of food,
Shomer does not apply to less than a bean's worth;
(b) (R. Yochanan): A Yad works for less than a k'Zayis, a
Shomer works for less than a bean's worth.
(c) Question (Beraisa): (There are two bones from a Mes, each
holds half a k'Zayis of flesh.) If part of each bone
without the flesh was brought into a house, the house is
Tamei;
1. Yehudah ben Nekusa says, they cannot join to be a
k'Zayis.
2. Summation of question: How will Rav establish the
Beraisa?
i. If the bones are Yados (the meat is on them),
why do the Chachamim (the first Tana) Metamei
the house (Rav says that Yad does not apply to
less than a k'Zayis)!
ii. If the bones are Shomrim (the meat is marrow
inside them), why does Yehudah say they are
Tahor (Shomrim bring Tum'ah)!
(d) Answer #1: The bones are Yados; Rav holds like Yehudah.
(e) Answer #2: The bones are Shomrim; Rav holds like
Chachamim.
(f) R. Yochanan explains that the bones are Yados; he holds
like Chachamim. (Rashi - he must explain this way; Tosfos
- he could also say that the bones are Shomrim, like
Chachamim).
(g) (Beraisa - R. Yehudah): If a femur (thigh bone) holds a
k'Zayis of meat, the entire bone brings Tum'ah and is
Metamei;
(h) Others say, if there is even a bean's worth of meat, the
bone conducts Tum'ah.
(i) Question: How will Rav establish the Beraisa?
1. If the bone is a Yad (the meat is on it), why do
Others say that a bean's worth of meat is enough?!
2. If the bone is a Shomer (the meat is inside), why
does R. Yehudah require a k'Zayis?!
(j) Answer #1: The bone is a Yad; Rav holds like R. Yehudah.
(k) Answer #2: The bone is a Shomer; Rav holds like Others.
(l) R. Yochanan holds like Others; the bone is a Shomer (the
law is also true if it is a Yad; we will explain why we
prefer to establish the case to be a Shomer).
(m) Question: Others require a bean's worth of meat - R.
Yochanan holds that Shomrim apply even to less than this!
(n) Answer: Really, Others don't require a bean's worth;
since R. Yehudah specified a quantity, they did also.
(o) Support (Rava): Presumably, the Beraisa discusses a
Shomer, since it mentions the femur, which always has
marrow.
(p) (R. Chanina): Others require a bean's worth, this is the
minimal quantity for Shomrim.
(q) (R. Yochanan): This is not a minimal quantity.
(r) Question: But they say, if it has a bean's worth!
(s) Answer: Since R. Yehudah specified a quantity, they did
also.
2) "SHOMRIM" OF SMALL FOODS
(a) Question (Mishnah - R. Eliezer ben Azaryah): A bean pod
is Tahor (does not conduct Tum'ah - a Shomer is not
needed, since beans can be cleaned if they get dirty);
1. A pea pod is Tamei (conducts Tum'ah like a Shomer),
because people want Mishmushan (to touch the peas
through the pods, for peas cannot be cleaned if they
get dirty).
2. (Peas are smaller than beans - the beginning of this
Mishnah says that even if one pea remains, the pod
is Tamei!)
(b) Answer: We answer like Rav Acha brei d'Rava said
(elsewhere) - the stalk is Tamei like a Yad. (It holds
many pods, at least a k'Zayis of food in all. The Mishnah
never called it a Shomer, that was our understanding.)
1. The Mishnah is Metamei because people want
*Tashmishan* (to use the stalks to move the peas).
(c) Question (Beraisa - Tana d'vei R. Yishmael): "Al Kol Zera
Zeru'a Asher Yizare'a" - the way people plant, the wheat,
barley or lentils are still in their shells. (Even though
a lentil is smaller than a bean, the shell is a Shomer!)
(d) Answer: The law of Shomer applies to a Biryah (something
complete like it was created) of any size.
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(e) Question (R. Oshiya): Can two Shomrim join to the food
inside to comprise the Shi'ur of k'Beitzah?
1. Question: What is the case?
i. If one Shomer guards the other, the outer
Shomer does not have the law of a Shomer!
ii. (Mishnah - R. Yehudah): The innermost of the
three outermost shells of onions joins (to
k'Beitzah) whether or not it has a hole;
iii. The middle shell joins only if it does not have
a hole;
iv. The outer shell does not join even if it has no
hole.
2. Answer: The Shomer was cut into two pieces.
i. Since each piece does not protect the food on
the other side, they are not considered
Shomrim;
ii. Or - since each piece protects the food on its
side, they are considered Shomrim.
(f) Answer #1 (Mishnah - R. Eliezer ben Azaryah): A bean pod
is Tahor; pea pods are Tamei, because people want
Mishmushan. (Therefore, the pods are Shomrim; each pod is
less than k'Beitzah, nevertheless they join to comprise
the Shi'ur, even though each pod does not protect peas in
another pod!)
(g) Rejection (Rav Acha brei d'Rava): [The Mishnah does not
say that pods join, rather, it teaches that] the stalk is
Tamei like a Yad.
1. It is Tamei 'because people want Tashmishan."
(h) Answer #2 (Beraisa - Tana d'vei R. Yishmael): "Al Kol
Zera Zeru'a Asher Yizare'a" - the way people plant, the
wheat, barley or lentils are still in their shells. (Even
though a shell does not protect seeds in another shell,
they join to be a k'Beitzah.)
(i) Rejection #1: Just like Rav Acha brei d'Rava answered
(above), that the stalk is Tamei like a Yad, we can say
that the stalk is a Shomer on all the ears.
1. Question: We understand that the lower blades of
grain protect the higher ones (if a shell would fall
off, the one above it would fall off);
i. But the higher blades do not guard the lower
ones (yet they are considered Shomrim)!
2. Answer: The case is, they are all at the same height
on the stalk (if any one was removed, the others
could fall out).
3. Question: Could the grain at one height have the
volume of an egg?!
4. Answer: Yes - for example, the wheat in the days of
Shimon ben Shetach (it was as big as kidneys of an
ox).
(j) Rejection #2: Here also, the wheat is like wheat in the
days of Shimon ben Shetach (each kernel is the volume of
an egg, they need not join).
3) IS HAIR A "YAD" OR A "SHOMER"?
(a) Version #1 - (Beraisa): (There are two bones from a Mes,
each holds half a k'Zayis of flesh.) If part of each bone
without the flesh was brought into a house, the house is
Tamei;
1. Yehudah ben Nekusa says, they cannot join to be a
k'Zayis.
(b) (Reish Lakish): A bone is a Yad, but a hair is not.
(c) (R. Yochanan): Even hair is a Yad.
(d) Question (R. Yochanan - Mishnah): If skin (of a Neveilah)
holds a k'Zayis of meat, one who touches a strand of meat
or a hair opposite the meat becomes Tamei.
1. Suggestion: The hair is Metamei because it is a Yad.
(e) Answer: No, it is a Shomer.
(f) Version #1A - Question: Can there be a Shomer (hair) for
a Shomer (the skin)?
(g) Answer #1: Hair is rooted in the skin - if the hair was
removed, there would be a hole, the meat would rot (so
hair itself is a Shomer for the meat).
1. Question (Rav Acha bar Yakov): If so (that any
parchment has holes, where the hairs used to be),
then how can we write Tefilin? We must have a pure
writing (without gaps)!
2. Answer: We answer like Chachamim of Eretz Yisrael
taught - we are not concerned for any hole that the
ink passes over (i.e. no hole will be seen in the
letter).
(h) Answer #2: The hair is a Yad;
1. R. Ila'a taught, when there are many strands at the
top of a sheaf, each is a Yad, because one can take
the sheaf by holding all the strands - similarly,
when there are many hairs, each is a Yad, because
one can take the skin with the meat by holding all
the hairs.
(i) Question: Where was R. Ila'a's law taught?
(j) Answer (Mishnah): Strands at the top of sheaves bring
Tum'ah and are Metamei, but they do not join for Shi'ur
Tum'ah.
1. Question: What can the strands be used for (why are
they Yados)?
2. Answer (R. Ila'a): The case is, there are many
strands at the top of a sheaf (one can take the
sheaf by holding all the strands).
(k) Version #1A - Support: Presumably, the hair is a Shomer -
one hair cannot serve like a Yad!
(l) Rejection: Really, the hair is a Yad;
1. R. Ila'a taught, when there are many strands at the
top of a sheaf, each is a Yad, because one can take
it by all the strands - similarly, when there are
many hairs, each is a Yad.
(m) Question: Where was R. Ila'a's law taught?
(n) Answer (Mishnah): Strands at the top of sheaves conduct
Tum'ah, but they do not join up.
1. Question: What can the strands be used for (that
they are like Yados)?
2. Answer (R. Ila'a): The case is, there are many
strands at the top of a sheaf.
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