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Chulin 129
CHULIN 128-130 - dedicated by Mrs. Rita Grunberger of Queens, N.Y., in
loving memory of her husband, Reb Yitzchok Yakov ben Eliyahu Grunberger.
Irving Grunberger helped many people quietly in an unassuming manner and
is dearly missed by all who knew him. His Yahrzeit is 10 Sivan (which
coincides with the study of Chulin 128 this year).
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We recommend using the textual changes suggested by the Bach and the
marginal notes of the Vilna Shas. This section is devoted to any *OTHER*
important corrections that Acharonim have pointed out in the Gemara, Rashi
and Tosfos
[1] Tosfos 129a DH Bayis she'Sachecho:
The words "k'Man *d'Mefarshi* Dami"
should be "k'Man *d'Leisnahu* Dami" (based on our text in Sukah 13b)
[2] Gemara 129b [line 7]:
The words "*Amar Lei* Emtza'isa"
should be "*Ela* a'Emtza'isa" (see SHITAH MEKUBETZES #1)
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1) [line 1] TUM'AS BEIS HA'SETARIM
(a) "Tum'as Beis ha'Setarim" refers to an object that is Tamei that comes
into contact with the concealed part of a person or object. Under such
circumstances, the object cannot make a person Tamei by Maga (touching), but
it can make him Tamei by Masa (carrying). For example, if a piece of a
Sheretz (see Background to Chulin 120:30) was found in the folds of a
person's skin (i.e. in his armpit or elbow), he is Tahor because a Sheretz
is only Metamei through Maga. If, however, he had a Neveilah in the folds of
his skin, he is Tamei, because a Neveilah is also Metamei through Masa.
(b) Flesh that will be cut out of an Ever Min ha'Chai has had hidden contact
("Maga Beis ha'Setarim") with the Ever Min ha'Chai before it is severed, and
as such, has received Tum'as Beis ha'Setarim of Tum'as Neveilah. Our Gemara
brings the opinion of Rebbi Aba bar Mamal, that Rebbi Meir argues with the
Halachos stated above, and rules that Tum'as Beis ha'Setarim through Maga is
Metamei. However, Rebbi Zeira argues with Rebbi Aba bar Mamal, claiming that
even Rebbi Meir rules that Maga Beis ha'Setarim is Tahor, at least when the
object needs Hechsher.
2) [line 6] ZIMNIN SAGI'IN - many times
3) [line 10] METAMEI TUM'AH CHAMURAH AGAV AVIV - when the flesh is still
attached to the limb, it should become Tamei with Tum'as Neveilah without
Hechsher since the Ever Min ha'Chai is an Av ha'Tum'ah
4) [line 12] MA'ASEH EITZ SHIMESH - it only served the function of a piece
of wood (that is, the flesh that is still attached to an Ever Min ha'Chai is
not Metamei because it has importance as a *food*, but because it is a part
of the limb. The flesh therefore needs Hechsher after being detached from
the Ever in order to become Tamei as food, despite the fact that it was an
Av ha'Tum'ah while it was attached to the Ever.)
5) [line 13] KOFES SE'OR - a block of sourdough (heavily leavened dough)
6) [line 13] SHE'YICHADAH L'YESHIVA - that one designated for sitting
(making it capable of being a Moshav ha'Zav, see Background to Daf 88:4b)
7) [line 15] MATZINU L'OCHLIN SHE'METAM'IN TUM'AH CHAMURAH - we would find
food that becomes Tamei at a stringent level of Tum'ah, namely an Av
ha'Tum'ah (which is impossible, see Background to Chulin 25:1b:b)
8) [line 17] TIKROVES AVODAS KOCHAVIM - a sacrificial offering to Avodah
Zarah (see Background to Chulin 89:31)
9) [line 21] CHIBUREI OCHLIN K'CHELIM DAMU - food that is attached to
utensils, such as the hardened dough that fills the cracks in a kneading
basin, is considered to be part of the utensil. If Tum'ah touches the food
the utensil becomes Tamei.
10) [line 30] BAYIS SHE'SACHECHO B'ZERA'IM - a house that one roofed with
stalks of grain
11) [line 34] MISAH OSAH NIPUL - the natural death of an animal causes any
hanging limbs and flesh to be considered retroactively detached during the
animal's life (the limb is considered an Ever Min Ha'Chai and the flesh is
considered Basar Min Ha'Chai, as opposed to Neveilah)
12) [line 41] "MI'KOL HA'OCHEL ASHER YE'ACHEL [ASHER YAVO ALAV MAYIM YITMA,
V'CHOL MASHKEH ASHER YISHASEH B'CHOL KELI YITMA.]" - "All food that is eaten
[upon which shall come water (i.e. it must become wet after it is detached
from the ground to receive Tum'ah) will become Tamei, and every drink that
is drunk, in any utensil, will become Tamei.]" (Vayikra 11:34)
13) [line 42] OCHEL SHA'ATAH YACHOL L'HA'ACHILO L'ACHERIM - food that you
are permitted to feed to others, i.e. Nochrim (which excludes Ever Min
ha'Chai)
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14) [line 3] HO'IL U'ME'UREH, ME'UREH - since it is attached, it is
attached, i.e. the hanging limb does not receive Tum'ah since it is still
considered as part of the animal, that cannot become Tamei while it is alive
15) [line 14] V'DILMA... IY (KED'RAVA) [KED'RABAH] IY KED'REBBI YOCHANAN -
but perhaps Rebbi Shimon's reasoning follows Rabah's explanation (that an
animal cannot become a Yad to its limb, see Background to Chulin 127:32) or
Rebbi Yochanan's explanation (that a portion of an object that is partially
detached from the object is not considered part of the object if the object
cannot be lifted by grasping and lifting the portion, see Background to
Chulin 127:33)
16) [line 25] REBBI SHIMON B'ALMA KAI - that is, Rebbi Shimon is arguing on
a point that is not explicit in the Mishnah (lit. Rebbi Shimon refers to [a
certain case] in the world). Rather, the implication of the words of Tana
Kama is that an Ever Min ha'Mes is Metamei, although he does not state so
specifically, and Rebbi Shimon argues, claiming that it is not Metamei at
all.
17) [line 30] MEGILAS TA'ANIS
(a) Megilas Ta'anis was originally composed by a Tana named Chananyah ben
Chizkiyah ben Garon (along with students of Beis Shamai and Beis Hillel,
according to the BEHAG, Hilchos Sofrim), approximately 100 years before the
destruction of the Second Temple (see Shabbos 13b). It includes a list of
the dates which were set aside as holidays, during the Second Temple period,
due to the miraculous salvations and victories that occurred on them. On
some of the dates, fasting was forbidden. On others, even delivering a
eulogy was prohibited. Some salvations which occurred after the destruction
of the Second Temple are recorded in Megilas Ta'anis as well (Rosh Hashanah
19a). These were added by later scholars and edited by Rebbi Yehudah
ha'Nasi, the editor of the Mishnah (see Tosfos there DH Ha). It is apparent
from the wording of the Megilas Ta'anis that we have, that certain comments
that appear in the Megilah regarding the cause for the celebrations were
also added by a later editor.
(b) Megilas Ta'anis was committed to writing in order that these dates not
be forgotten. For this reason it is referred to as a "Megilah" as opposed to
the Mishnah and Beraisa which were still handed down by word of mouth at
that time (Rashi, ibid.). It is written in Aramaic.
(c) According to some Tana'im and Amora'im, shortly after the destruction of
the second Beis ha'Mikdash the holidays of Megilas Ta'anis ceased to be
celebrated -- with the exception of the holidays of Chanukah and Purim (Rosh
ha'Shanah 18b, 19b). The devastation that followed the destruction of the
Second Temple served such a crushing blow to the Jewish People that it
overshadowed all of the holidays of Megilas Ta'anis.
18) [line 30] PISCHA ZE'EIRA - "Pesach Katan" (PESACH SHENI)
If the Kohanim, the Klei Shares, or the majority of the Jewish people are
Tamei Mes on the fourteenth day of Nisan, the Korban Pesach is brought
b'Tum'ah. Otherwise, those who are Tahor bring it b'Taharah on the
fourteenth of Nisan, while those individuals who are Temei'im bring their
Korban the following month on Pesach Sheni (the fourteenth day of Iyar) and
eat it the following evening.
19) [line 30] D'LO L'MISPED - that it is forbidden to eulogize [on this day]
20) [line 31] RABA - "[Pesach] Gadol"; the festival of Pesach on the
fourteenth day of the month of Nisan (see Background to Chulin 30:3b:I)
21) [line 31] KACH SHAMATI - this is what I have learned from my teachers
(lit. heard), [that a limb from a corpse is not Metamei]
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