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by R. Nosson Slifkin Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Yerushalayim Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
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Ta'anis 13
1) BATHING RESTRICTIONS ON DIFFERENT DAYS
(a) (Rafram bar Papa citing R. Chisda) On any occasion that
is due to mourning, such as Tishah b'Av and regular
mourning, it is forbidden to bathe whether in hot or cold
water.
(b) On any occasion that is due to refraining from pleasure,
such as a Ta'anis Tzibur, it is forbidden to bathe in hot
water but permitted in cold.
1. (R. Idi bar Avin) This is also evident from our
Mishnah, which states that on a Ta'anis Tzibur, they
would lock the (hot) bathhouses.
2. (Abaye) This is no proof - if even cold water were
forbidden, it couldn't have said that we lock the
rivers!
3. (R. Shisha b. R. Idi) The intent is that since it
already said that bathing is forbidden, it wouldn't
have to say that the bathhouses are locked unless it
was to point out that only hot water is forbidden.
(c) Support: A proof for R. Chisda is suggested from a
Beraisa:
1. Those who are obligated in Tevilah can do so as normal
even on Tishah b'Av and Yom Kipur.
2. This cannot be referring to warm water, as warm water
is drawn and invalid for Tevilah.
3. It must therefore be referring to cold water, and we
see that only such people may bathe in it, but not
others!
(d) Dismissal (R. Chana bar Katina): It is no proof; it may
be referring to the hot springs of Tiveriya.
(e) Support: In the latter part of the Beraisa, it is noted
that the loss of the Beis ha'Mikdash justifies losing one
bathing a year - we see that even cold water is
forbidden!
(f) Dismissal (R. Papa): It refers to a location where cold
water is not to be found.
(g) Contradiction: A contradiction to R. Chisda is suggested
from another Beraisa:
1. The Beraisa states:
i. The prohibition of Melachah on a Ta'anis Tzibur
only applies by day.
ii. The prohibition of wearing leather shoes only
applies within a city.
iii. The prohibition of washing only applies to the
whole body, but not to the face, hands and
feet.
iv. The same applies to an excommunicated person
and to a mourner.
2. The latter clause presumably applies to all the
aforementioned laws.
3. It cannot be referring to warm water, as a mourner may
not wash any part of his body with warm water.
4. So it must be referring to cold water, and we see that
on a Ta'anis Tzibur it is forbidden to bathe in cold
water!
(h) Resolution: It refers to warm water; it is only the
earlier laws that are also being applied to a mourner.
(i) Contradiction: Another contradiction to R. Chisda is
brought:
1. When R. Yosi b. R. Chanina's sons died, he bathed in
cold water during the seven days of mourning!?
(j) Resolution: In that case, it was allowed because he had
consecutive periods of mourning:
1. (Beraisa) If a person had consecutive periods of
mourning, then if his hair grows overly long, he can
cut it with a razor, and he can wash his clothes in
water.
2. (R. Chisda) He can use a razor but not scissors; he
can wash them in water but not with detergents or
sand.
2) WASHING FOR MOURNERS
(a) (Rava) A mourner may wash in cold water all seven days -
it is no different from eating meat and drinking wine.
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(b) Question: We see otherwise in a Beraisa:
1. A Bogeres (adult girl) may not let herself appear ugly
while mourning for her father.
2. The implication is that a Na'arah (sub-adult girl)
may.
3. This can't be referring to hot water, as nobody is
allowed to wash in hot water while mourning (not
even a Bogeres).
4. So it must refer to cold water, and we see that anyone
other than a Bogeres is forbidden!?
(c) Answer: It isn't referring to washing; it is referring to
wearing makeup.
(d) A proof for Rava is suggested:
1. When R. Yosi b. R. Chanina's sons died, he bathed in
cold water during the seven days of mourning!?
(e) Refutation: In that case, it was allowed because he had
consecutive periods of mourning:
1. (Beraisa) If a person had consecutive periods of
mourning, then if his hair grows overly long, he can
cut it with a razor, and he can wash his clothes in
water.
2. (R. Chisda) He can use a razor but not scissors; he
can wash them in water but not with detergents or
sand.
(f) Alternate version: (Rava) A mourner may not bathe in cold
water during the seven days of mourning.
(g) It is different from meat and wine, which are permitted
to help lessen one's sorrows.
(h) A proof is suggested from a Beraisa:
1. A Bogeres may not let herself appear ugly while
mourning for her father.
2. The implication is that a Na'arah may.
3. This can't be referring to hot water, as nobody is
allowed to wash in hot water while mourning (not
even a Bogeres).
4. So it must refer to cold water, and we see that anyone
other than a Bogeres is forbidden!?
(i) Refutation: It isn't referring to washing; it is
referring to wearing makeup.
1. (R. Chisda) If wearing makeup is forbidden, then so is
washing clothes.
(j) The Halachah is that a mourner may not wash his body
whether in hot or cold water during the seven days.
1. He may, however, wash his face, hands and feet in cold
water.
2. He may not anoint himself in even the slightest
amount, except to remove sweat.
3) WHERE TO SAY ANEINU
(a) Question: Where do we recite the Aneinu prayer?
(b) Answer (R. Yehudah): An individual in a private fast says
Aneinu between the Berachos of Ge'ulah and Refuah.
(c) Objection (R. Yitzchak): Surely an individual cannot
establish his own separate Berachah!?
(d) Rather, he recites it within Shome'a Tefilah.
1. R. Sheshes holds the same.
(e) Question: We see otherwise in a Beraisa:
1. (Beraisa) The difference between an individual and a
Tzibur on a fast day is that one says eighteen
Berachos and the other says nineteen.
2. "Tzibur" can't refer to the Shalich Tzibur, as he says
twenty-four Berachos.
3. It must refer to an individual who accepts a private
fast, and an individual who accepts a Ta'anis
Tzibur.
4. We see that the latter may establish his own Berachah
of Aneinu, thereby totaling nineteen Berachos!?
(f) Answer: It refers to a Shaliach Tzibur, and it is
discussing the first three fasts, when there are not
twenty-four Berachos.
(g) Question: Surely it says that the only difference between
the first three fasts and the latter fasts is regarding
the prohibition of Melachah!?
1. Answer: It left out this other difference.
2. Question #1: What else was left out, such that we can
say that this was left out?
3. Question #2: It says that this is the *only*
difference!?
(h) New answer: The Tana is only referring to prohibitions,
not to the forms of prayer.
(i) Alternate answer: The twenty-four Berachos are not
recited in the middle series of fasts either.
(j) Objection: A Beraisa states that the only difference
between the middle and last series of fasts is that in
the latter, the Shofar is blown and the stores are
locked!
1. Suggested answer: It left out this other difference.
2. Refutation: It says that this is the *only*
difference!?
3. Answer: "Only" cannot be a precise term, as it also
left out the difference that the Aron is only placed
in the street for the latter fasts.
4. Refutation: That is not mentioned as it is done
publicly.
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