REVIEW QUESTIONS ON GEMARA AND RASHI
prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
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Nedarim 59
1)
(a) We just concluded that, according to Rebbi Yochanan and Rebbi Yonasan,
what grows is not Mevatel the Ikar, with the exception of Sh'mitah, because
it is the ground which causes the Isur and therefore the Bitul. What does
Rebbi Yanai (Batzel shel Terumah) hold?
(b) How does Rebbi Aba explain our Mishnah 'Konem Peiros ha'Eilu she'Ani
Ochel ... be'Davar she'Ein Zar'o Kalah, Afilu Gidulei Gidulin Asurin' to
reconcile it with the opinion of Rebbi Yanai?
(c) We may well not ask from the previous Beraisa ('Litra Ma'aser Tevel',
where the growth is also not Mevatel the Ikar), because we prefer to ask
from a Mishnah. Why else might it be preferable to ask from the Mishnah of
Konamos rather than from the Beraisa of Ma'aser?
2)
(a) What does the Mishnah in Terumos say about a Sa'ah of Terumah Temei'ah
that fell into less than a hundred of Chulin?
(b) Why does the Tana mention specifically 'Terumah Temei'ah'?
(c) The mixture cannot be eaten, because even a Kohen may not eat Terumah
Temei'ah. But why does one not follow the regular procedure of burning it?
3)
(a) Why does this Mishnah present Rebbi Yanai with a Kashya?
(b) Why did we not then ask how Rebbi Yanai could permit Bitul, with regard
to an onion of Terumah that the owner planted, seeing as Terumah is a Davar
she'Yesh Lo Matirin?
(c) How do we answer the Kashya on Rebbi Yanai? Why is Terumah not
considered a 'Davar she'Yesh Lo Matirin', even though Konamos are?
(d) How might we have answered, if the Seifa had not stated ...
- ... 'Im Haysah Tehorah, Timacher le'Kohen ... '?
- ... 'Chutz mi'Demei Osah Sa'ah'? Why will this answer no longer work?
4)
Konamos, unlike Terumah, are considered a 'Davar she'Yesh Lo Matirin',
because of Rebbi Nasan's statement. What does Rebbi Nasan say?
5)
(a) What did Rav Chisda ask Rabah, concerning Rebbi Yochanan's ruling that a
Litra of onions which the owner Ma'asered and then re-planted must be
Ma'asered again from scratch?
(b) Why should this be any different than Gidulin shel Heter, which are
Mevatel the Ikar shel Isur? By the same token, why should the growth which
is Tevel not be Mevatel the Ikar which is Chulin?
(c) How does Rav Chisda refute Rabah's proof from the Mishnah in Shevi'is
'Betzalim she'Yardu Aleihem Geshamim ve'Tzimchu, Im Hayu Alin she'Lahen
Shechorin, Asurin', implying that the onions are completely Asur (a proof
that what grows is Mevatel the Ikar completely)?
(d) But did we not explain earlier that, as far as eating is concerned, the
Heter of growth is indeed Mevatel the Isur even according Rebbi Yochanan and
presumably, this will apply to the Isur of growth being Mevatel the Heter,
too?
6)
Why did Rabah not want to explain the Mishnah like Rav Chisda?
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7)
(a) How does Rav Chisda, who just established the Mishnah in Shevi'is
'Betzalim she'Yardu Aleihem Geshamim ve'Tzimchu, Im Hayu Alin she'Lahen
Shechorin, Asurin' by the Tosefes', reconcile this with the Beraisa, where
Raban Shimon ben Gamliel comments 'ha'Gadel be'Chiyuv, Chayav, ha'Gadel
bi'Petur, Patur'? Is that not precisely what the Tana of the Mishnah said?
(b) How will we now reconcile this Mishnah with Rebbi Yochanan, who said
'Litra Betzalim she'Tiknah ve'Zar'ah, Mis'aseres le'Fi Kulah'? Why there, is
the growth Mevatel the Ikar completely?
(c) From the Mishnah, we see that even though the section of onions that
grow does not become Bateil to the Ikar, yet it does not nullify it either,
in spite of the theory to the contrary (that if it is not Batel to it, it
automatically nullifies it), that we cited earlier . This might well be
because it is Isur that usually becomes Bateil in Heter, and not the other
way round. What other reason might there be to differentiate between the
two cases?
(d) When, earlier in the Sugya, we attempted to resolve Yishmael Ish K'far
Yama's She'eilah (of 'Batzel she'Okro bi'Shevi'is') from 'Batzel she'Nat'o
be'Kerem, ve'Ne'ekar ha'Kerem' (Rebbi Yonasan), why did we not use the same
argument to refute the proof from there?
8)
(a) Having just learned that according to Raban Shimon ben Gamliel, when one
deliberately plants Isur to become Bateil in the Gidulin, then it does
become Bateil, how will we then explain the Beraisa that we discussed
earlier ' ... ve'Osah Litra Me'aser Alehah mi'Makom Acher le'Fi Cheshbon'?
Why does the Ikar not become Bateil in the Shevi'is produce that grows
(which is Patur from Ma'asros)?
(b) How do we learn this from the Pasuk in Re'ei "Aser Te'aser es Kol
Tevu'as Zar'echa"?
(c) What is the problem with this Derashah, bearing in mind that we are
talking about seeds that do not decompose before re-growing?
(d) In fact, the Pasuk is no more than an Asmachta. What is the real
reason that Tevel that is re-planted cannot become Bateil ...
- ... in the Sh'mitah-year? Does the fact that the two Isurim are different make any difference?
- ... in the other years of the cycle?
9)
(a) How will Rebbi Yanai, who learns that Gidulin are Mevatel the Ikar,
reconcile his statement with the Mishnah in Terumos 'Gidulei Terumah
Terumah'?
(b) Seeing as Gidulei Gidulin are Tevel, how can Rebbi Yanai say 'Mutar'?
(c) In light of the Mishnah which specifically states 'Gidulei Gidulav
Chulin (not Terumah)', what exactly, is Rebbi Yanai coming to teach us?
(d) How will Rebbi Yanai then establish the Mishnah in Terumos, which
specifically states that Gidulei Gidulav by something whose seeds do not
decompose, are forbidden?
10)
In view of the fact that Rebbi Yanai is talking about an onion, whose seeds
do not decompose before re-growing, and that the Mishnah in Terumos
specifically forbids such plants, how could we initially ask 'Ha Nami
Tanina, Gidulei Gidulin Chulin' (seeing as that speaks about seeds which do
decompose)?
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