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Nazir 17
NAZIR 17 - Dedicated in memory of Menachem Mendel ben Yitzchak, who had a
great love for Torah and Am Yisroel.
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1) ACCEPTING NEZIRUS WHILE TAMEI
(a) Answer: The case is, he left and returned (after becoming
Tahor).
(b) Question (Beraisa): The only difference between a Tamei
person that accepted Nezirus and a Tahor Nazir that
became Tamei, is that the former counts the 7th day of
becoming Tahor towards the term of Nezirus, but not the
latter.
1. If the Nezirus does not take effect (unless he
accepts Nezirus again) - why does day 7 count?
(c) Correction (Mar Bar Rav Ashi): All agree that it takes
effect; they argue regarding lashes.
1. R. Yochanan holds, since it takes effect, he is
lashed (if he transgresses).
2. Reish Lakish holds, even though it takes effect, he
is not lashed.
(d) Question (R. Yochanan - Mishnah): Reuven was in a
cemetery and accepted Nezirus. Even if he stayed there 30
days, they do not count, and he does not bring the
sacrifices of a Nazir that became Tamei.
1. We infer, he does not bring the sacrifices, but he
is lashed!
(e) Answer: No. Really, the Mishnah should say, he is not
lashed. Since the end of the Mishnah says, 'If he left
(and became Tahor) and returned to the cemetery, the days
are counted, and he brings the sacrifices of a Tamei
Nazir', the beginning of the Mishnah said, he does not
bring the sacrifices of a Nazir.
(f) Question (Beraisa): The only difference between a Tamei
person that accepted Nezirus and a Tahor Nazir that
became Tamei, is that the former counts the 7th day of
becoming Tahor towards the term of Nezirus, but not the
latter.
1. We infer - there is no difference regarding lashes!
(g) Answer: No - they are the same regarding shaving (when
they end the Nezirus and bring sacrifices).
1. Objection: If the latter is lashed, but not the
former, the Beraisa should teach this!
2. Answer: The Beraisa only teaches matters of fixing
the Nazir, not transgressions.
(h) Question (Beraisa): A Tamei person accepted Nezirus. He
is forbidden to shave, drink wine, or become Tamei; if he
did any of these, he receives 40 lashes.
1. This refutes Reish Lakish.
2) WHEN IS HE LASHED?
(a) Question (Rava): One that accepted Nezirus while in a
cemetery - must he delay there (the time needed to bow)
to be lashed?
1. Question: What is the case?
i. Suggestion: He is warned not to accept Nezirus.
ii. Rejection: If so, even if he does not delay,
just as a Tahor Nazir that is warned not to
become Tamei is lashed, even without delay!
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2. Answer: Rather, he entered the cemetery in an
enclosed chest (which shields from Tum'ah); someone
else uncovered the bottom, making him Tamei.
i. Perhaps the law was received (from Sinai) only
that in the Beis ha'Mikdash, a Tamei person is
lashed only if he delays, but not outside.
ii. Or, perhaps there is no distinction.
(b) This question is unresolved.
3) WHICH TAMEI NEZIRIM MUST SHAVE?
(a) Question (Rav Ashi): One who accepted Nezirus while in a
cemetery - does he need to shave?
1. Perhaps only a Tahor Nazir that becomes Tamei needs
to shave.
2. Or, perhaps there is no distinction.
(b) Answer #1 (Mishnah): Reuven was in a cemetery and
accepted Nezirus. Even if he stayed there 30 days, they
do not count, and he does not bring the sacrifices of a
Nazir that became Tamei.
1. We infer, he need not bring the sacrifices, but he
must shave.
(c) Rejection: No - rather, the Mishnah says, he does not
bring the sacrifices because he does not shave.
(d) Answer #2 (Beraisa): The only difference between a Tamei
person that accepted Nezirus and a Tahor Nazir that
became Tamei, is that the 7th day (on which he becomes
Tahor) counts towards the Nezirus of the former, but not
of the latter.
1. Suggestion: They are the same regarding shaving
(i.e. both shave).
2. Rejection: No, they are the same regarding lashes.
3. Question: But if you want to say that they are not
the same regarding shaving - the Beraisa should
teach this!
4. Answer: This follows from what was taught, that the
7th day counts for the former and not for the
latter.
(e) Answer #3 (Beraisa): I would only know that days when a
man is Tamei (from contact with a corpse) do not count
towards Nezirus;
1. Rhetorical question: How do I know, even days when
he is an absolute leper?
2. Answer #1: We learn from precedent.
i. Just as a Tamei Nazir must shave and bring a
sacrifice, also an absolute leper; likewise,
just as the days a Nazir is Tamei do not count,
also days of absolute leprosy.
3. Rejection: We cannot learn thusly.
i. Days of a Tamei Nazir do not count, because he
nullifies the previous count;
ii. An absolute leper does not nullify the previous
count, so his days count!
4. Answer #2: We learn from a Kal va'Chomer.
i. One who accepted Nezirus in a cemetery, his
hair is standing to be shaved, yet the days of
Tum'ah do not count;
ii. An absolute leper, whose hair is not standing
to be shaved, all the more so his days do not
count!
iii. Suggestion: The former is standing to shave as
a Tamei Nazir.
iv. Rejection: No, as a Tahor Nazir (after
fulfilling the count).
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