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1) A VOW TO BRING METAL

(a) (Mishnah): If one said 'Alai Zahav', he must bring at least a gold Dinar.
(b) Question: Perhaps he meant Naska (an ingot; Tosfos - it is a fixed amount less than a Dinar)!
(c) Answer (R. Elazar): He said 'coins'.
(d) Question: Perhaps he meant Perutos!
(e) Answer (Rav Papa): People do not make gold Perutos.
(f) (Mishnah): ...'Kesef', he must bring at least a Dinar.
(g) Question: Perhaps he meant Naska!
(h) Answer (R. Elazar): He said 'coins'.
(i) Question: Perhaps he meant Perutos!
(j) Answer (Rav Sheshes): The Mishnah refers to a place where silver Perutos are not used.
(k) (Mishnah): If one said 'Alai Nechoshes', he must bring copper worth a silver Ma'ah.
(l) (Beraisa - R. Eliezer ben Yakov): He must bring at least a small fork of copper.
(m) Question: What use is there for this in the Mikdash?
(n) Answer (Abaye): It is used to cut off burnt ends of wicks and to clean the ashes out of the lamps of the Menorah.
(o) Version #1 (Beraisa - Others): If one said 'Alai Barzel', he must bring iron (at least) enough for Kalyah Orev (to prevent ravens from resting on the Heichal; Rashi - these are spikes, or an iron plate with a sharp edge pointing up; Aruch - it is a scarecrow.)
(p) Question: How big must this be?
(q) Answer (Rav Yosef): It must be one Amah by one Amah.
(r) Version #2: If one said 'Alai Barzel', he must bring one Amah by one Amah.
(s) Question: What use is there for this in the Mikdash?
(t) Answer (Rav Yosef): It is enough for Kalyah Orev.

(a) (Mishnah): If one said 'Alai Yayin', he must bring three Lugim of wine;
(b) If he said 'Alai Shemen', he must bring one Log of oil;
(c) Rebbi says, he must bring three Lugim.
(d) If he knows that he vowed to bring a certain amount but does not remember how much, he brings the largest amount the Tzibur ever brings in one day.
(e) (Gemara - Beraisa): "Ezrach" - this is extra, to permit a Nedavah of wine; three Lugim must be brought (we never find less than this.)
(f) Question: What is the source to allow bringing more?
(g) Answer: "Yihyeh" permits this.
(h) Suggestion: Perhaps one may bring less!
(i) Rejection: "Kachah" (is Me'akev.)
(j) (Mishnah): If he said 'Alai Shemen', he must bring one Log of oil; Rebbi says, three Lugim.
(k) Question: What do they argue about?
(l) Answer (Rabanan): Chachamim hold Dun Minah u'Minah (when a matter is learned from another matter, we learn everything from the source):

1. We learn Nedavah of oil from Menachos - the smallest amount of oil in a Minchah is one Log;
2. Rebbi holds, Dun Minah v'Uki b'Asra (we only learn one law from the source, other laws are according to the law of the matter being learned);

i. We learn from Menachos that a Nedavah can be brought, but the Shi'ur is learned from Nesachim, the minimum we ever find is three Lugim (of wine.)

(m) Rejection (Rav Papa): Both of them hold Dun Minah u'Minah - if they learned from Menachos, Rebbi would agree that the Shi'ur is one Log;
(n) Answer #2 (Rav Papa): Rebbi learns from "Ezrach" (i.e. Nesachim of wine); three Lugim must be brought.
(o) Rejection (Rav Huna brei d'Rav Noson): That is wrong!

1. (Beraisa): "Korban" - this teaches that Nedavah of wine may be brought, the Shi'ur is three Lugim.
2. Rav Huna: Rebbi holds that the Shi'ur is three Lugim - apparently, he learns from "Korban"!

(p) Admission (Rav Papa): Indeed, the Beraisa refutes me.

(a) (Mishnah): If one said 'Alai Olah', he must bring a lamb (or better);
(b) R. Elazar ben Azaryah says, he brings a Tor or Ben Yonah (or better).
(c) If he vowed to bring Bakar (cattle, for an Olah) but does not remember which, he brings a bull and calf;
(d) If he vowed to bring a Behemah but does not remember which, he brings a bull and calf, ram and (adult) goat, kid (yearling goat) and lamb.
(e) If he does not remember whether he specified an animal or bird, he brings all of these and a Tor or Ben Yonah.

(f) If he vowed to bring Todah or Shelamim, he must bring a lamb (or a bigger animal);
(g) If he vowed to bring Bakar but does not remember which, he brings a male calf and a female calf, and a bull and cow;
(h) If he vowed a specific animal but does not remember which, he brings a male and female of each of the following - cow and calf, (adult) sheep and goat, kid and lamb.
(i) If he vowed to bring a bull, he must spend (at least) a Maneh (25 Sela'im) for it and its Nesachim;
(j) If he vowed to bring a calf (or ram or lamb), he must spend five (or two or one) Sela('im) for it and its Nesachim;
(k) If he vowed to bring a bull (or calf, ram or lamb) for 25 (or five or two or one) Sela('im), he must spend this amount for the animal alone, without its Nesachim;
(l) If he vowed to bring a bull for a Maneh and he brought two bulls for a Maneh, he was not Yotzei;

1. Even if each is worth almost a Maneh, he was not Yotzei.

(m) If he vowed to bring a black animal and brought a white one (or vice-versa), to bring a large animal and brought a small one, he was not Yotzei;
(n) If he vowed to bring a small animal and brought a large one, he was Yotzei;
(o) Rebbi says, he was not Yotzei.
(p) (Gemara): The first Tana and R. Elazar ben Azaryah do not argue - R. Elazar gives the law in his locale (Rambam - there, people call Olas ha'Of (simply) Olah; Rashi - there, birds cost more than lambs), the first Tana teaches for his locale (Olah refers only to Behemos, or lambs cost more than birds.)
(q) (Beraisa): If one vowed to bring an Olah for a Sela to the Mizbe'ach, he should bring a lamb, for no other animal can be offered for a Sela.
(r) If he specified what he will bring for a Sela but does not remember what, he brings everything that can be offered for a Sela (also Soles, Levonah...)

(a) (Mishnah): If he vowed to bring Bakar (for an Olah) but does not remember which, he brings a bull and a calf.
(b) Question: It should suffice to bring a bull, even if he vowed to bring a calf!
(c) Answer: Our Mishnah is like Rebbi, who says that if he vowed to bring a small animal and brought a large one, he was not Yotzei.
(d) Question (Mishnah): If he vowed to bring a bull for a Maneh and he brought two bulls for a Maneh, he was not Yotzei;

1. Even if each is worth almost a Maneh, he was not Yotzei.
2. If he vowed to bring a black animal and brought a white one (or vice-versa), to bring a large animal and brought a small one, he was not Yotzei;
3. If he vowed to bring a small animal and brought a large one, he was Yotzei;
4. Rebbi says, he was not Yotzei.
5. Summation of question: Will you say that the beginning and end of the Mishnah are like Rebbi, and the middle is not?!

(e) Answer: Yes! The end of the Mishnah reveals that Rebbi and Chachamim argue about what was taught earlier.
(f) (Mishnah) There were six boxes for Nedavah (money to buy Kitz ha'Mizbe'ach, Olos Nedavah of the Tzibur for when the Mizbe'ach is idle.)
(g) (Mishnah) Question: Why were there six?
(h) Answer #1 (Chizkiyah): They correspond to the six Batei Avos (Rashi - subdivisions of each Mishmar of Kohanim), so there will be peace between them (the money is divided equally, so each Beis Av will offer the same amount; R. Gershom - each Beis Av offers whatever is given on its day.)
(i) Answer #2 (R. Yochanan): Because many coins were given for Nedavah, there were six boxes in order that the coins will not rot.
(j) Answer #3 (Ze'iri): There was one box for each kind of animal (that one may vow to bring for an Olah, i.e. males) - bull, calf, ram, lamb, goat and kid;

1. This is like Rebbi, who says that a large animal may not be brought in place of a small one.

(k) Answer #4 (Bar Pada): The boxes were for (redemption money of (Korbanos sent to graze, e.g. if a replacement was offered in place of a lost Korban)) bulls and goats (of Chatas Tzibur), rams and lambs (of Ashamos), Mosaros (if someone was Makdish money for a Korban and did not need all of it, the extra is Mosar) and Kalbonos (small additions to the half-Shekel everyone must give to Hekdesh each year.)