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Menachos 58
Menachos 58 (8 Kislev) - Dedicated l'Iluy Nishmas: Shoshana Raizel bas Reb
Yisrael Leib -- Mrs. Rose Shaw -- on the third Yahrzeit of her passing, by
her son, Dr. Allen Shaw (Atlanta), and grandchildren, Sheila Jutan and
family (Atlanta) and Yisrael Shaw and family (Jerusalem).
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1) "HAKTARAH" OF "SE'OR" AND "DEVASH"
(a) Question: How does R. Yochanan expound "Osam"?
(b) Answer (Beraisa) Suggestion: Perhaps an individual may
bring a Nedavah of Shtei ha'Lechem, "Motza Sefasecha
Tishmor v'Asisa (fulfill your vows)" applies!
1. Rejection: "Korban Reishis Takrivu (plural)" - the
Tzibur brings it, an individual may not.
2. Suggestion: An individual does not bring Shtei
ha'Lechem Chovah, therefore he cannot bring it for
Nedavah - the Tzibur brings it Chovah, perhaps it
can bring it Nedavah!
3. Rejection: "Osam" (only what is obligatory.)
4. Question: What are these obligatory first offerings
of Se'or and Devash?
5. Answer: Shtei ha'Lechem contain Se'or, (some)
Bikurim are (sweet fruits, which are included in)
Devash.
(a) Question: Is it really true that Shtei ha'Lechem may not
be brought Nedavah?!
1. (Beraisa) Question: Why must it say both "Chol
Se'or" and "v'Chol Devash"?
2. Answer: There is a leniency of each one, its
prohibition could not be learned from the other:
i. Se'or is totally permitted in the Mikdash,
Devash is not;
ii. It is permitted to eat Shirei Menachos with
Devash, but one may not Mechametz them. (end of
Beraisa)
3. Question: When is Se'or totally permitted in the
Mikdash?
i. Suggestion: Shtei ha'Lechem may be offered
Nedavah!
(b) Answer (to Questions (b) and (3)): No, the leniency of
Se'or is that it (Shtei ha'Lechem) is accompanied by
other Korbanos (Shalmei Tzibur.)
(c) Question Also Devash (Bikurim) is accompanied by other
Korbanos!
1. (Mishnah): Birds on top of the baskets were Olos,
what they (people bringing Bikurim) were holding was
given to the Kohanim.
(d) Answer: The birds are not a necessary part of Bikurim,
rather, for decoration.
2) FORBIDDEN "HAKTARAH"
(a) Question (Rami bar Chama): If one offers meat of Chatas
ha'Of on the Mizbe'ach, what is the law?
1. The Torah forbids "Chol...Mimenu...Isheh" - since no
part of Chatas ha'Of is Huktar, the Isur does not
apply;
2. Or, the Isur applies to anything called Korban, and
this is called Korban?
(b) Answer (Rav Chisda): The Isur applies to anything called
Korban, this is called Korban.
(c) Tana'im argue about this:
1. (Beraisa - R. Eliezer): The Torah forbids (Haktaras
Shirayim of) Chol she'Mimenu l'Ishim (anything
partially Huktar);
2. R. Akiva says, Haktaras Shirayim of anything called
Korban is forbidden.
(d) Question: What is the difference between them?
(e) Answer #1 (Rav Chisda): They argue about meat of Chatas
ha'Of (no part of Chatas ha'Of is Huktar, but it is
called Korban.)
(f) Answer #2 (Rav): They argue about Log Shemen of a Metzora
(no part is Huktar, but it is called Korban.)
(g) Answer (Levi - Beraisa): "*Kol* Korbanam" - this includes
the Log of oil of a Metzora.
3) THE "SHI'UR" OF FORBIDDEN "HAKTARAH"
(a) (Beraisa): "Se'or...Lo Saktiru" - this forbids Lehaktir
all of it (the entire Beraisa will be explained);
1. Question: What is the source for partial Haktarah?
2. Answer: "Chol (Se'or...)".
3. Question: What is the source for Haktarah of a
mixture?
4. Answer: "Ki Chol".
(b) Question: What does this mean?
(c) Answer #1 (Abaye): "Se'or...Lo Saktiru" - this forbids
Lehaktir a k'Zayis;
1. Question: What is the source for half a k'Zayis?
2. Answer: "Chol".
3. Question: What is the source for Haktarah of a
mixture?
4. Answer: "Ki Chol".
(d) Answer #2 (Rava): "Se'or...Lo Saktiru" - this forbids
Lehaktir a Kometz;
1. Question: What is the source for half a Kometz?
2. Answer: "Chol".
3. Question: What is the source for Haktarah of a
mixture?
4. Answer: "Ki Chol".
(e) Question: What do Abaye and Rava argue about?
(f) Answer: Abaye holds that a Kometz can be less than two
k'Zeisim, therefore, "Chol" teaches that Haktarah can be
less than a k'Zayis;
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(g) Rava holds that a Kometz must be at least two k'Zeisim,
Haktarah must be at least a k'Zayis ("Chol" only teaches
half a Kometz.)
(h) (Rava): If one offered (Tosfos - Se'or and Devash and) a
mixture of Se'or and Devash on the Mizbe'ach, he is
lashed for Se'or, for Devash, for a mixture of Se'or and
for a mixture of Devash;
(i) (Abaye): One is not lashed for Lav shebi'Chlalos (a Lav
that forbids different things.)
(j) Version #1: He is lashed once (for Se'or and its mixture,
and once for Devash and its mixture.)
(k) Version #2: He is not lashed at all, for the Lavim are
not specific like the Lav of muzzling (the prototype for
lashes.)
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