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Kidushin 77
KIDUSHIN 77-80 - Ari Kornfeld has generously sponsored the Dafyomi
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1) CHILDREN OF CHALALIM
(a) (Mishnah): The daughter of a male Chalal is forever
forbidden to Kehunah.
(b) If a Yisrael married a Chalalah, his daughter is
permitted to Kehunah; a Chalal that married a Bas
Yisrael, his daughter is forbidden to Kehunah.
(c) R. Yehudah says, the daughter of a male convert is as the
daughter of a Chalal.
(d) R. Eliezer ben Yakov says, a Yisrael that married a
convert, or convert that married a Bas Yisrael - their
daughter is permitted to Kehunah; but the daughter of 2
converts is forbidden to Kehunah.
1. The law is the same by converts and freed slaves -
even after 10 generations, the daughter is forbidden
to Kehunah unless her mother is a Bas Yisrael.
(e) R. Yosi says, even the daughter of 2 converts is
permitted to Kehunah.
(f) (Gemara) Question: What does it mean, (The daughter of a
male Chalal is) forever (forbidden to Kehunah)?
(g) Answer: One might have thought, her prohibition is as
that of Mitzrim and Edomim, i.e. until 3 generations - we
hear, this is not so.
(h) (Mishnah): If a Yisrael married a Chalalah...
(i) Question: What is the source for this?
(j) Answer (R. Yochanan): It says "(A Kohen) will not profane
his seed among his nation", and "(A Kohen) will not
become Tamei among his nation".
1. Just as (the prohibition of) Tumah applies to male
Kohanim, not females, also profaning seed only
applies to males.
2. Question: If so, the daughter of a Kohen Gadol (from
a widow) should be Kesherah!
3. Answer: It does not say 'He will not profane his
son', rather, "He will not profane his seed" - to
include his daughter.
4. Question: The daughter of a Kohen Gadol's son should
be Kesherah!
5. Answer: It says "He will not profane his seed" - his
seed is equated to him.
i. Just as his daughter is disqualified, also his
son's daughter.
6. Question: The daughter of a Kohen Gadol's daughter
should be disqualified!
7. Answer: We cannot say that, for then the Gezeirah
Shavah between Tumah and profaning seed would not
teach anything!
(k) (Mishnah): A Chalal that married a Bas Yisrael, his
daughter is forbidden to Kehunah.
(l) Question: The beginning of the Mishnah taught this - the
daughter of a male Chalal is forever forbidden to
Kehunah!
(m) Answer: Once we had to teach about a Yisrael that married
a Chalalah, a Chalal that married a Bas Yisrael was
repeated for parallel structure.
(n) Our Mishnah is not as R. Dosta'i ben Yehudah.
1. (Beraisa - R. Dosta'i ben Yehudah): Just as Benei
Yisrael purify Chalalos (i.e. their children are
Kesherim), also Benos Yisrael purify Chalalim.
(o) Question: What is R. Dosta'i's reason?
(p) Answer: It says "He will not profane his seed among his
nation" - (when his seed marries) among one nation (i.e.
within Kehunah), the children are profaned; among a
different nation (a non-Kohen), the children are not
profaned.
2) THE WOMAN BECOMES DISQUALIFIED
(a) (Beraisa) Question: "He will not profane his seed" - how
do we know that also his wife is profaned?
(b) Answer: We learn from a Kal v'Chomer: his children, who
didn't sin, are profaned - his wife, who sinned, all the
more so she is profaned!
(c) Question: We can disprove this from her husband - he
sinned, but he is not profaned!
(d) Answer #1: That is no disproof, for a (Kosher) Kohen
never becomes profaned - but a woman, who sometimes
becomes profaned (by forbidden relations, e.g. with a
Mamzer), is also profaned here!
(e) Answer #2: If you prefer, you can say "He will not
profane" - someone that was Kosher, and now becomes
profaned, i.e. his wife.
1. Question: What objection might we have to Answer #1?
2. If you will ask - his seed was created through sin
(therefore it is profaned, but his wife was not) -
we can give Answer #2.
(f) (Beraisa): Who is a Chalalah? Anyone born from
disqualified parents.
(g) Question: What does this mean?
1. Suggestion: If it means, from a woman forbidden to
her husband - but a man is forbidden to remarry his
divorcee (if she married someone else in between),
and the children are Kesherim!
i. "It is an abomination" - she is an abomination,
her children are not abominations.
(h) Answer #1 (Rav Yehudah): It means, anyone born from (a
Kohen and) a woman forbidden to Kohanim.
(i) Question: But a widow (that had relations with a Kohen
Gadol), Zonah or divorcee (that had relations with a
Kohen) becomes a Chalalah, even though she was not born
from women forbidden to Kohanim!
(j) Answer #2 (Rabah): The Beraisa asks, 'Who is the Chalalah
the Torah mentions, that she was never Kesherah? Anyone
born from a woman forbidden to Kohanim.
1. Question: What does this mean, 'the Torah mentions'?
2. Answer (Rav Yitzchak bar Avin): 'Who is the Chalalah
explicit in the Torah, ("Kohanim will not marry...a
Chalalah" - she was a Chalalah even before marrying
a Kohen) that we do not need Chachamim to explain?
Anyone born from a woman forbidden to Kohanim.
3) DOES A PROHIBITION TAKES EFFECT IN ADDITION TO A PREVIOUS PROHIBITION?
(a) (Beraisa): A Kohen Gadol married 3 widows - he is only
liable once; if he married 3 divorcees - he is only
liable once;
(b) If he married a widow that is a divorcee, a Chalalah and
a Zonah - if she received these statuses in this order,
he is liable for each one;
1. If she received these statuses in reverse order -
she had relations with a relative or a forbidden
Yisrael, then with a Kohen, then she was divorced,
and then widowed - he is only liable once.
(c) Question: What is the case of 3 widows?
1. Suggestion: If he had relations with Reuven's widow,
and Shimon's widow, and Levi's widow - why is he
only liable once - they are different women, and
widows of different men!
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(d) Answer: Rather, he had 3 acts of relations with 1 widow.
(e) Question: What is the case?
1. Suggestion: If he was only warned once - obviously,
he is only liable once!
(f) Answer #1: Rather, he was warned each time.
(g) Objection: If so, why is he only liable once?
1. (Mishnah): A Nazir was drinking wine all day - he is
only lashed once; if he was repeatedly warned - he
is liable for each warning.
(h) Answer #2: He had relations with Reuven's widow, who is
also Shimon's widow and Levi's widow.
1. One might have thought, since they are widows of
different men, he is liable for each - we hear,
since it is the same woman, he is only liable once.
(i) Question: The Beraisa said, a widow that is a divorcee, a
Chalalah and a Zonah - how does the Tana hold?
1. If he holds that a prohibition takes effect in
addition to a previous prohibition - even in the
reverse order (he should be liable for all 4)!
2. If he holds that a prohibition does not take effect
in addition to a previous prohibition - even in this
order, he should only be liable once!
(j) Answer (Rava): Normally, he holds that a prohibition does
not take effect in addition to a previous prohibition; if
the new prohibition widens (forbids to a wider spectrum),
it takes effect.
1. A widow is forbidden to a Kohen Gadol, and permitted
to a regular Kohen; when she was divorced, she
became forbidden to all Kohanim;
i. By way of this, the prohibition of a divorcee
also takes effect regarding a Kohen Gadol.
2. A divorcee is permitted to eat Terumah (e.g. if she
was widowed from a Kohen, or is a Bas Kohen without
children); when she became a Chalalah, she became
forbidden to eat Terumah;
i. By way of this, the prohibition of a Chalalah
also takes effect regarding a Kohen Gadol.
3. Question: Zonah is not a wider prohibition than
Chalalah!
4. Answer (R. Chana bar Rav Katina): Since Zenus
(adultery) forbids a woman even to a Yisrael, it is
considered wider than Chalalah (which only applies
to Kehunah).
(k) (A reciter of teachings): Anyone to whom applies "He (a
Kohen Gadol) will take", applies "He (a Kohen Gadol) will
not take";
1. Anyone to whom "He will take" does not apply, "He
will not take" does not apply - this excludes a
Kohen Gadol that has relations with his sister who
is a widow (he is only liable for relations with a
sister, not for relations with a widow).
2. [Version #1 - Rav Sheshes: You heard this from (one
who holds as) R. Shimon, that a prohibition does not
take effect in addition to a previous prohibition.
i. (Beraisa - R. Shimon): One who eats a Neveilah
on Yom Kippur - he is exempt.
3. Chachamim say that a prohibition takes effect in
addition to a previous prohibition - the Kohen Gadol
would be liable for his sister!
4. Rejection: Even Chachamim could exempt a Kohen Gadol
for relations with his sister - they only said that
a severe prohibition takes effect in addition to a
light prohibition, but a light prohibition does not
take effect in addition to a severe prohibition!]
5. [Version #2: The teaching is as Chachamim - they
only say that a severe prohibition takes effect in
addition to a light prohibition, but a light
prohibition does not take effect in addition to a
severe prohibition;
i. It cannot be as R. Shimon - he holds, even a
severe prohibition does not take effect in
addition to a light prohibition - he would not
need to say that a light prohibition does not
take effect in addition to a severe
prohibition!]
6. Rejection: It can even be as R. Shimon - one might
have thought, the special prohibitions of Kohanim
are different (they take effect in addition to
severe prohibitions) - we hear, this is not so.
4) WHAT MAKES A CHALALAH?
(a) Question (Rav Papa): A Yisrael had relations with his
sister; this makes her a Zonah - does it also make her a
Chalalah?
1. If Chayavei Lavin (such as a widow to a Kohen Gadol)
makes a woman a Chalalah, all the more so Chayavei
Kerisus!
2. Or - perhaps Chalalah only results from prohibitions
of Kehunah.
(b) Answer (Abaye): Chalalah only results from prohibitions
of Kehunah.
1. (Beraisa): Had the Torah not said that a divorcee is
forbidden to a Kohen Gadol, we could have learned it
from a Kal v'Chomer: a divorcee is forbidden even to
a regular Kohen - all the more so, to a Kohen Gadol!
i. The Torah wrote the prohibition to teach that
just as the prohibition of a divorcee is
distinct by a regular Kohen from the
prohibitions of Chalalah and Zonah (it is
written by itself, to teach that one gets
separate lashes for it), also by a Kohen Gadol.
ii. Objection: This is obvious - should a Kohen
Gadol not have all the prohibitions of a
regular Kohen?!
iii. Correction: Rather, just as the prohibition of
a divorcee is distinct by a regular Kohen from
the prohibitions of Chalalah and Zonah, also
the prohibition of a widow by a Kohen Gadol is
distinct from the prohibitions of a divorcee,
Chalalah and Zonah.
2. Question: Why did the Torah say that a Chalalah is
forbidden to a Kohen Gadol (she is even forbidden to
a regular Kohen)
3. Answer: To teach that Chalalah only comes from
prohibitions of Kehunah.
4. Question: Why did the Torah say that a Zonah is
forbidden to a Kohen Gadol!?
5. Answer: To teach a Gezeirah Shavah Zonah-Zonah from
a regular Kohen.
i. Just as by a Kohen Gadol, his children from a
Zonah are Chulin (Chalalim) - also by a regular
Kohen.
6. (Rav Ashi): Therefore, a Kohen that has relations
with his sister, he makes her a Zonah, not a
Chalalah.
i. If he has a second act of relations with her,
this makes her a Chalalah (for she is now
forbidden by the prohibition of Zonah, shich is
special to Kohanim).
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