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Kidushin 9
KIDUSHIN 7-10 - Dedicated by an admirer of the work of the Dafyomi
Advancement Forum, l'Iluy Nishmas Mrs. Gisela (Golda bas Reb
Chaim Yitzchak Ozer) Turkel, A"H.
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1) WHO WRITES A DOCUMENT OF KIDUSHIN
(a) (Beraisa): A document of engagement may be written on
paper or pottery, even if it is not worth a Perutah; he
writes 'Your daughter is Mekudeshes (or Me'usreses, or as
a wife) to me'.
(b) Question (R. Zeira bar Mamal): This is unlike sale
documents - there, the seller writes 'My field is sold to
you', but here the husband (who is as the buyer) writes
the document!
(c) Answer #1 (Rava): Both are learned from verses.
1. By sales, it says "He will sell from his
inheritance" - the Torah ascribes the sale to the
seller;
2. By engagement, it says "When (a man) Yikach (will
take a woman)", the acquisition is ascribed to him.
3. Question: But another verse says "Yiknu (They will
buy) fields with money"!
4. Answer: We read it as Yuknu (will be bought).
5. Objection: If we read it thusly to agree with the
other verse - we should likewise read by engagement,
"When Yukach (will be taken to) a man" to conform
with "I gave my daughter to this man"!
(d) Answer #2 (Rava): Rather, a tradition from Moshe from
Sinai tells us who writes the documents; Chachamim found
supports for the laws from verses.
(e) Answer #3: "(Yirmeyah, the buyer) took (received) the
sale document" proves that the seller writes it.
(f) (Rava): A man wrote on paper or pottery, even if it was
not worth a Perutah, 'Your daughter is Mekudeshes (or
Me'ureses, or as a wife) to me' - he may give this to the
father , or to the girl herself with her father's
consent;
1. This only applies if she is not yet a Bogeres.
(g) 'You are Mekudeshes (or Me'ureses, or as a wife) to me' -
he may give this to her, or to her father with her
consent;
1. This applies if she is a Bogeres.
2) REQUIREMENTS OF KIDUSHIN DOCUMENTS
(a) Question (Reish Lakish): What is the law of a document of
engagement not written Lishmah (for her sake)?
1. Do we equate engagement to divorce - just as a Get
must be Lishmah, also a document of engagement?
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2. Or, do we equate the methods of engagement - just as
engagement money need not be minted Lishmah, an
engagement document need not be written Lishmah.
(b) Answer (Reish Lakish): We equate engagement to divorce -
"She will leave...she will be (Mekudeshes)".
(c) (Rava and Ravina): An engagement document was written
Lishmah but without her consent - it is valid;
(d) (Rav Papa and Rav Sharbiya): It is invalid.
1. Rav Papa: We all equate engagement to divorce.
i. Rava and Ravina hold, just as a Get must be
Lishmah but may be written without her consent,
also a document of engagement;
ii. I and Rav Sharbiya hold, just as a Get requires
the consent of the Makneh (the one who makes
the other acquire, i.e. the husband), also a
document of engagement requires the consent of
the Makneh (the woman).
(e) Question (against Rava and Ravina - Beraisa): Documents
of engagement and marriage must be written with the
consent of both parties.
1. Suggestion: Documents of engagement is understood in
the normal sense.
(f) Answer: No - it refers to documents of commitment.
1. (Rav Gidal): Reuven's parents and Leah's parents
promised to each other how much each will give their
child; Reuven was Mekadesh Leah - the verbal
promises are legally binding.
3) KIDUSHIN THROUGH RELATIONS
(a) (Mishnah): Through relations...
(b) Question: From where do we know this?
(c) Answer #1 (R. Avahu citing R. Yochanan): "That had
relations with a husband" - he becomes her husband
through relations.
(d) Question (R. Zeira): Why don't you learn as Rebbi?
1. "(When a man will take a woman) and have relations
with her" - this teaches that she is acquired
through relations.
(e) Answer: From that verse, one might have thought that he
must both engage her and have relations - the first verse
shows, relations suffices by itself.
(f) Question (R. Aba bar Mamal): How could one think that he
must both engage her and have relations - if so, how
could one find a virgin who is Mekudeshes (that is stoned
for adultery)?
1. If her husband was Mekadesh her and had relations
with her - she is not a virgin!
2. If he was Mekadesh her but did not have relations -
that does not take effect!
(g) Answer #1 (Rabanan): The case is, her husband had
abnormal relations with her after engaging her.
1. Rejection (Abaye): All agree, she is not considered
a virgin after that - Tana'im only argued regarding
a stranger that has abnormal relations with a
virgin.
i. (Beraisa): 10 men had abnormal relations with a
virgin who is Mekudeshes while she is Na'arah -
they are all stoned;
ii. Rebbi says, the first man is stoned, the others
are choked (for she was not a virgin when they
had relations with her).
(h) Answer #2 (Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak): The case is, her
husband was Mekadesh her with a document;
1. Since a Get divorces single-handedly, a document of
engagement engages single-handedly.
(i) Question: What does R. Yochanan learn from the verse
Rebbi learned from, "And he will have relations"?
(j) Answer: It teaches that a wife is acquired through
relations, but not a Yisraelis slave.
1. One might have thought that a slave is acquired
through relations from a Kal va'Chomer.
i. A Yevamah is not acquired through money, but is
acquired through relations - a slave can be
acquired through money, all the more so through
relations!
2. Question: One cannot learn from Yevamah, she is
already partially acquired through the engagement of
the deceased brother!
3. Answer: Rather, one might have thought to learn from
acquisition of a wife.
i. "If he will take another wife (in addition to
the slave he married" - this equates a slave to
a wife;
ii. Just as a wife can be acquired through
relations, also a slave - we hear, this is not
so.
(k) Question: How does Rebbi learn this?
(l) Answer: Had the Torah only said "He will have relations",
we would only learn that relations engage; now that it
wrote "He will have relations with her", we also learn
that relations acquire a wife, not a slave.
1. Question: Rava learns from "When a man will take a
woman and have relations with her" that if the
engagement would forbid them to have relations, it
does not take effect;
i. How can Rava explain Rebbi?
2. Answer: The Torah should have written '...or have
relations with her'; by writing "and", it allows us
to learn another law.
4) OTHER WAYS TO EXPOUND R. AVAHU'S VERSE
(a) Question: What does Rebbi learn from "A woman that had
relations with a husband"?
(b) Answer: A virgin that has abnormal relations with her
husband is no longer considered a virgin; a virgin that
has abnormal relations with a stranger is still a virgin.
(c) Question: But Rebbi does not hold that way!
i. (Beraisa): 10 men had abnormal relations with a
Mekudeshes virgin Na'arah - they are all
stoned;
ii. Rebbi says, the first man is stoned, the others
are choked (for she was not a virgin when they
had relations with her).
(d) Answer (R. Zeira): Rebbi only argues regarding the death
penalty, but he agrees regarding the fine (for an
unmarried virgin) that all the men pay the fine for
raping or seducing a virgin.
(e) Question: Why is the law different by the fine than by
the death penalty?
(f) Answer: Regarding death, it says "The man that lied with
her will die alone (i.e. only the first man is stoned)".
(g) Question: What do Chachamim learn from "alone"?
(h) Answer: As R. Yonason learns.
1. (Beraisa - R. Oshiya): "Both of them will die" -
only if they are both fitting to be executed (i.e.
both are adults);
2. R. Yonason says, "The man that lied with her will
die alone"
(i) Question: How does R. Yonason learn Rebbi's law?
(j) Answer: The Torah should have written 'That had relations
with a man'; by writing "with a husband", it allows us to
learn another law.
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