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Kesuvos 65
15) DO WE APPORTION WINE TO A WOMAN?
(a) (R. Elazar): We do not apportion wine to a woman.
1. One cannot ask from the verse "That give my ...
Ushkuyai (and drinks)" - rather, uSHKuyai refers to
things that a woman miSHtoKekes (desires), namely,
ornaments.
(b) (Rav Yehudah): We do not apportion wine to a woman -
"Chanah got up after her eating ... and *his* drinking" -
it does not say, after her drinking.
(c) Question: According to this, we should say, *her* eating
and not his eating?!
(d) Answer: No - since the verse deals with her, "his
drinking" is unnatural and is expounded; ("her eating" is
natural, and is not expounded).
(e) Question (Beraisa): If she is accustomed, we give her
(wine).
(f) Answer #1: The case of a woman who is used to wine is
different, as we see from Rav Chinena.
1. (Rav Chinena): If she is accustomed, we give her one
cup; if not, we give her 2.
2. Question: How can this be?
3. Answer (Abaye): Explain thusly: If she is accustomed
to 2 cups when with her husband, we give her 1 cup
when not with him; if she is accustomed to 1 cup
when with her husband, we do not give her at all
when alone.
(g) Answer #2: A woman who is accustomed receives wine for
cooking.
1. (R. Avahu): Chachamim apportioned 2 Sa'os of wine
for Nakdimon Ben Guryon's daughter-in-law to use in
cooking each week.
i. She told them, 'So you should apportion to your
daughters!'
ii. She was a widow that fell to Yibum (out of
anger that they didn't apportion more, she
cursed them that their daughters should also
fall to Yibum) - they did not answer Amen.
(h) (Beraisa): One cup is good for a woman; 2, disgracing; 3,
she will verbally demand relations; 4, she will seek to
have relations with a donkey in the market (in public),
without shame.
1. (Rava): This only applies when her husband is not
with her - when her husband is with her, there is no
concern.
2. Question: But Chanah was with her husband (and we
learned from her)!
3. Answer: The case of one lodging away from home is
different.
i. (Rav Huna): A boarder is forbidden to have
relations - "They returned to their city ...
and Elkanah had relations with his wife" - but
not before.
(i) Abaye's widow, Chomah, came before Rava, and requested
that he apportion wine for her.
1. Rava: I know, Abaye did not drink wine!
2. Chomah: I swear, he did! He would give me in vessels
like this ...
i. As she was demonstrating, her arm was revealed.
Light fell in the Beis Din; Rava desired
relations, and went to his wife, Rav Chisda's
daughter.
ii. Rava's wife: Who was in Beis Din (that caused
your desire)?
iii. Rava: Chomah.
iv. Rava's wife took a strap and chased Chomah out
of the city. "You have already killed 3 men (a
woman that has been widowed 2 or 3 times is
established to cause the death of her husbands,
and is forbidden to remarry), and you seek to
kill more!
(j) The wife of Rav Yosef Bar Rava asked Rav Nechemyah Bar
Rav Yosef to apportion wine for her; he did so.
1. Rav Nechemyah: I know, women of her city drink wine.
(k) The widow of Rav Yosef Brei d'Rav Menashiya asked Rav
Yosef to apportion wine for her; he did so. She requested
that he apportion silk for her.
1. Rav Yosef: Why do you need silk?
2. The widow: For you and your colleagues (that I
should not be disgraced in your eyes).
16) VESSELS APPORTIONED TO WOMEN
(a) (Mishnah): He gives her a bed and mat ...
(b) Question: Why does she need a mattress (and mat - Tosfos
omits these words from the text)?
(c) Answer (Rav Papa): This is in a place where the bedropes
are uncovered - it hurts to sleep on such a bed without a
mattress.
(d) (Beraisa): We do not give her a pillow and blanket; R.
Nosan says, says, we give her.
(e) Question: What is the case?
1. If it is normal for her family - why would the first
Tana say she does not get it?
2. If it is not normal for her family - why would R,
Nosan say she gets it?
(f) Answer: It is normal for his family, but not for hers.
1. The first Tana says, he can tell her - 'When I go, I
will take them; when I return, I will bring them!'
2. R. Nosan says, she can counter, 'Sometimes, you will
return right before Shabbos, and will not be able to
bring them - you will take mine, and I will sleep on
the floor!'
(g) (Mishnah): He gives her a kerchief ...
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(h) Question (Rav Papa): The Tana strips her (only gives her
clothing once a year), but gives her shoes (every
festival)?!
(i) Answer (Abaye): The Tana is in a place of mountains,
where 3 pairs of shoes are needed each year.
1. The Tana counsels, it is good to give her during the
festival, to make her happy.
(j) (Mishnah): Clothes worth 50 Zuz ...
(k) (Abaye): These are simple Zuzi (7/8 copper, worth only
1/8 of Zuzi of Tzur).
1. We know this since the Mishnah deals with the
poorest of people - such a person would not have 50
Zuz of pure silver!
(l) (Beraisa): Excess food belongs to the husband; extra
remnants of clothing belong to the wife.
(m) Question: Why does she need them?
(n) Answer (Rachbah): To wear when she is Nidah, so she will
not be despised to her husband (by wearing the same
clothing when Tehorah as when Nidah).
(o) (Abaye): Extra remnants of clothing of a widow belong to
the heirs.
1. In this case, there is no concern if she is
despised.
17) OTHER OLIGATIONS OF THE HUSBAND
(a) Question: What does the Mishnah mean, 'She eats with him
Shabbos night'?
(b) Answer #1 (Rav Nachman): Literally, she eats with him.
(c) Answer #2 (Rav Ashi): They have relations.
1. If so, why does the Mishnah say she eats with him?
2. Answer: This is just a nice language.
i. "She ate ... and said, I did not sin."
(d) Question (Beraisa - R. Shimon Ben Gamliel): She eats with
him on Shabbos night and Shabbos (day).
1. We understand the opinion that this literally means
eating.
2. The opinion that it means relations - do they have
relations (by day)?
i. (Rav Huna): Yisrael are holy, and do not have
relations by day!
(e) Answer: As Rava taught - in a dark house, it is
permitted.
(f) (Mishnah): If she was nursing ...
(g) (R. Ula Rabah): Even though Chachamim said, a man need
not feed his children when they are minors - but he must
feed very small children.
1. Question: Until what age?
2. Answer: Until 6 years.
i. (Rav Asi): A 6-year-old may rely on the Eiruv
of his mother.
(h) Question: How did R. Ula derive his law from our
Mishnah?
(i) Answer: It says, a nursing woman is given more food.
1. Suggestion: This is because her baby eats with her!
2. Rejection: No - rather, she is as a sick person that
requires more food.
3. Objection: If so, the Mishnah should say, 'If she is
sick ...' - why did it teach the case of a nursing
wife?
4. Answer: Perhaps it comes to teach that nursing women
are assumed to require more food!
i. R. Yehoshua Ben Levi: We apportion wine to a
nursing mother, since this is good for the
milk.
***** PEREK METZIAS HA'ISHAH *****
18) PRIVILEGES A MAN HAS IN HIS WIFE
(a) (Mishnah): Objects a wife finds, and her earnings belong
to her husband; what she inherits - he receives the
produce of it in her lifetime;
(b) Payments of one who embarrassed or wounded her are hers;
R. Yehudah Ben Beseira says, for damage to a covered part
of the body, she receives 2/3 of the payment, he gets
1/3; for damage to an exposed part of the body, she
receives 1/3, he gets 2/3.
1. He receives his share immediately; her share is used
to buy land, and he receives the fruits.
(c) (Gemara) Question: A previous Mishnah already taught
this!
(d) (Mishnah): A father receives ... found objects and
earnings of his daughter ... a husband has all these
privileges, and also receives the produce of her
property!
(e) Answer: We need to teach the dispute of R. Yehudah Ben
Beseira and Chachamim on payments for embarrassment and
injury.
(f) A Chacham recited a Beraisa in front of Rava: If a
married woman finds an object, she keeps it; R. Akiva
says, it belongs to her husband.
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