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Bava Kama 86
BAVA KAMA 86 - Dr. and Mrs. Andy and Dianne Koenigsberg, of New
York, have dedicated this Daf l'Iluy Nishmas Dianne's father,
Reb Aharon Dovid ben Elimelech Shmuel Kornfeld
(Czechoslovakia/Israel/New York), who passed away on 3 Av
5761. May his love for Mitzvos and for Eretz Yisrael be
preserved in all of his descendants.
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1) TEMPORARY DAMAGE
(a) Question (Rabah): Reuven damaged Shimon; Shimon will
later return to full health, but because he cannot work
now, he is worth less - what is the law?
1. Question: What is the case?
2. Answer: He hit him on the hand; it contracted, and
later it will return to normal.
3. Do we say, since it will later return to normal,
Reuven is exempt?
4. Or - since Shimon is worth less now, Reuven is
liable?
(b) Answer #1 (Mishnah): One who strikes his father or mother
and does not make a wound, or one who strikes a person on
Yom Kipur is liable for all damages.
1. Question: What is the case that he does not make a
wound?
2. Answer: He hit him on the hand, and later it will
return to normal; the Mishnah says, he is liable for
all damages.
(c) Rejection #1: No - the case is, he deafened him without
making a wound.
(d) Question: But Rabah taught, one who deafens his father is
killed, for it is impossible to deafen someone without
making a wound, a drop of blood surely fell into the ear!
(e) Rejection #2: No - the case is, he shaved him.
(f) Question: But his hair will grow back, the damage is only
temporary - we can still settle our question from the
Mishnah!
(g) Answer: No, the case is, Reuven anointed Shimon with Nasa
(a potion which permanently stops hair from growing).
1. There is a case when all the other damages apply:
i. Pain - for example, he has sores in ridges on
is head (and the potion aggravated them).
ii. Healing - he must heal the sores;
iii. Unemployment - he used to get rewarded for
dancing, and the sores prevent him from shaking
his head as he dances.
iv. Embarrassment - baldness is the ultimate
embarrassment!
(h) Abaye and Rava argued on the law Rabah was unsure about.
(i) (Abaye): Reuven hit Shimon on the hand, and later it will
return to normal - he pays Nezek and unemployment;
(j) (Rava): He only pays unemployment.
(k) (Abaye): Reuven cut off the hand of Shimon's slave (a
Yisrael) - he pays Nezek to the slave, and unemployment
to Shimon;
(l) (Rava): The slave gets the whole payment; we buy land
with the money, the master gets the fruit (until the
slave goes free).
(m) If the slave was damaged, and this affects only the
slave, not the master - obviously, the slave gets the
whole payment.
1. Question: What is the case?
2. Answer: He cut off the end of the ear or nostrils.
(n) If the slave was damaged, and this affects only the
master, not the slave - Abaye and Rava argue on this (as
above).
2) COMPENSATION FOR EMBARRASSMENT
(a) (Mishnah): Embarrassment - we evaluate according to the
one who embarrassed and the one who was embarrassed.
(b) Question: Who is the Tana of our Mishnah?
(c) Answer #1: It is not R. Meir or R. Yehudah, rather R.
Shimon.
1. (Mishnah - R. Meir): Rich and poor people (that were
embarrassed) are judged equally, as if they were
rich people that lost their property, for all
descend from Avraham, Yitzchak and Yakov.
2. R. Yehudah says, a rich person is judged according
to his wealth, a poor person according to his
poverty;
3. R. Shimon says, a rich person is judged as a rich
person that lost his property, a poor person is
judged as the poorest man there is.
i. Our Mishnah cannot be R. Meir - he says, rich
and poor are judged equally, but our Mishnah
says, it varies according to the one who
embarrassed and the one who was embarrassed!
ii. It cannot be R. Yehudah - he says,
embarrassment does not apply to a blind person,
but our Mishnah says that it does!
(d) Answer #2: Our Mishnah is as R. Yehudah; he says, a blind
person does not pay embarrassment, but he can receive it!
1. Objection: But the end of the Mishnah says, one who
embarrasses a sleeping person is liable, but a
sleeping person that embarrasses is exempt;
i. It did not exempt a blind person that
embarrasses, implying that he can receive and
pay for embarrassment!
ii. We must answer as Answer #1.
(e) Question: Who is the Tana of the following Beraisa?
1. (Beraisa): One who intended to embarrass a Katan
(one of small wealth) and embarrassed a Gadol (rich
person), he pays the Gadol what is fitting for a
Katan;
2. One who intended to embarrass a slave and
embarrassed a free person, he pays the free person
what is fitting for embarrassing a slave
3. Summation of question: This is not as R. Meir nor as
R. Yehudah nor as R. Shimon!
i. It is not as R. Meir - he holds that rich and
poor people are judged equally!
ii. It is not as R. Yehudah - he holds that slaves
do not receive compensation for embarrassment!
iii. It is not as R. Shimon - he holds that one who
intended to embarrass Reuven and embarrassed
Shimon is exempt!
iv. Question: What is R. Shimon's reason?
v. Answer: He learns from murder. One who intended
to kill Reuven and killed Shimon is exempt -
"He waited in ambush for him and rose against
him" - he is only liable if he intended for his
victim;
vi. Also regarding embarrassment - "She sent her
hand and grabbed his private parts" - she is
only liable if she intended for him.
(f) Answer #1: Really, the Beraisa is as R. Yehudah; he says,
a slave does not receive (payment for) embarrassment, but
we can evaluate how much he would want to receive to
suffer such an indignity!
(g) Answer #2: Really, it is as R. Meir; Katan means a minor,
Gadol means an adult.
(h) Question: Do minors really suffer (and therefore receive)
embarrassment?!
(i) Answer: Yes - as Rav Papa taught (in a different
context).
1. (Rav Papa): When reminded of the embarrassment, he
is pained.
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3) SPECIAL CASES
(a) (Mishnah): One is liable for embarrassing a blind, naked
or sleeping person;
1. A sleeping person that embarrassed someone is
exempt.
(b) Reuven fell from the roof and damaged and embarrassed -
he is liable for the damage and exempt for the
embarrassment, unless he intended to embarrass.
(c) (Gemara - Beraisa): Reuven embarrassed Shimon when Shimon
was naked (or in the bathhouse) - Reuven is liable, but
not as much as one who embarrasses a clothed person (or
in the market).
(d) Question: Does a naked person really feel embarrassment?!
(e) Answer (Rav Papa): The case is, a wind lifted up Shimon's
garment; Reuven lifted it higher (exposing more of
Shimon).
(f) Question: Does a person really feel embarrassment in the
bathhouse (everyone is naked there)?!
(g) Answer (Rav Papa): He embarrassed him by the riverbank.
(h) Question (R. Aba bar Mamal): Reuven embarrassed Shimon
when Shimon was sleeping; Shimon (never woke up and) died
- what is the law?
1. Question: What is the crux of the question?
2. [Understanding #1 (Rav Zvid): If one pays because
the victim feels shame - if so, (since Shimon never
found out,) Reuven is exempt;
3. If one pays because he disgraced the victim, Reuven
is liable.
(i) Answer (Beraisa - R. Meir): A deaf person or child
receives payment for embarrassment; a lunatic does not.
1. If one pays because of disgrace - we understand why
a child collects;
2. Question: But if it is because the victim feels
shame - a child does not feel shame!
3. Counter-question: If one pays because of disgrace -
even a lunatic is disgraced!
4. Answer: Being a lunatic is the greatest disgrace, he
cannot be disgraced more.
5. Suggestion: The original answer remains - since a
child collects, it must be that one pays for the
disgrace.
(j) Rejection: A child suffers shame as Rav Papa taught (in a
different context).
1. (Rav Papa): When he is reminded of the
embarrassment, he is pained.]
2. [Understanding #2 (of question (h) - Rav Papa): If
one pays because the victim feels shame - if so,
(since Shimon never found out,) Reuven is exempt;
3. If one pays because the victim's family is
embarrassed, Reuven is liable.
(k) Answer (Beraisa): A deaf person or child receives payment
for embarrassment; a lunatic does not.
1. If one pays because the victim's family is
embarrassed - we understand why a child collects;
2. Question: But if it is because the victim feels
shame - a child does not feel shame!
3. Counter-question: If one pays because the victim's
family is embarrassed - even a lunatic's family is
disgraced!
4. Answer: Having a lunatic in the family is the
greatest disgrace, the family cannot be embarrassed
more.
5. Suggestion: The original answer remains - since a
child collects, it must be that one pays for the
family's embarrassment.
(l) Rejection: (Rav Papa): When a child is reminded of the
embarrassment, he is pained.
(m) Support (Beraisa - Rebbi): A deaf person receives
embarrassment; a lunatic does not; sometimes a child
receives, sometimes not.
1. A child that is pained when reminded of the
embarrassment, he collects.]
4) A BLIND PERSON WHO EMBARRASSES ANOTHER PERSON
(a) (Mishnah): One who embarrasses a blind person...
(b) The Mishnah (does not exempt a blind person who
embarrasses - this) is not as R. Yehudah.
1. (Beraisa #1 - R. Yehudah): A blind person does not
pay for embarrassment; also, he is exempt from
exile, lashes and capital punishment.
2. Question: What is R. Yehudah's reason?
3. Answer #1 (regarding embarrassment): He learns a
Gezeirah Shavah "Einecha-Einecha" from Zomemim
witnesses.
i. Just as a blind person never pays as a Zomem
witness (he cannot be a witness), also he never
pays for embarrassment.
4. Answer #2 (regarding exile - Beraisa - R. Yehudah):
"Without seeing" - this excludes a blind person;
i. R. Meir says, this includes a blind person.
ii. Question: What is R. Yehudah's reason?
iii. Answer: "That will come in the forest when his
fellowman is there" - this includes a blind
person;
iv. "Without seeing" excludes a blind person.
v. R. Meir explains, "without knowing" also
excludes a blind person - 2 exclusions come to
include.
vi. R. Yehudah says, we need "without knowing" to
exclude one who intends to kill.
5. Answer #3 (regarding capital punishment): He learns
a Gezeirah Shavah "Rotze'ach-Rotze'ach" from exile.
6. Answer #4 (regarding lashes): He learns a Gezeirah
Shavah "Rasha-Rasha" from exile.
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