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Bava Kama 64
1) THE SOURCE FOR PAYING DOUBLE, 4 AND 5
(a) Question: The Tana of Beraisa #1 holds that neither verse
speaks of an actual thief - how does he know that an
actual thief pays double, and 4 and 5?
1. Suggestion: From a Kal va'Chomer - one who claims
the item was stolen pays double, 4 and 5 - all the
more so, an actual thief!
2. Rejection: The principle of Dayo says, only in the
same situation, i.e. after swearing!
(b) Answer: He learns as Tana d'vei Chizkiyah. (The Gemara
will later explain Tana d'vei Chizkiyah.)
1. Question (Tana d'vei Chizkiyah): The Torah should
only have said 'Ox' and 'theft', we would know that
(double payment) applies to everything!
2. Answer: If the only example (of a stolen object) was
'ox', we would only include animals that are offered
on the Altar!
i. This would include a Seh, yet the verse also
says "Seh"; it must be, this verse ("Theft...")
includes everything!
3. Question: It would have sufficed to write 'Ox, Seh,
theft'!
4. Answer: If so, we would only learn animals whose
firstborn have Kedushah.
i. This would include a donkey, yet the verse also
says "donkey"; it must be, ("Theft...")
includes everything!
5. Question: It would have sufficed to write 'Ox,
donkey, Seh, theft'!
6. Answer: If so, we would only include living things.
i. But the verse also says "living"; it must be,
("Theft...") includes everything!
(c) Question: Why did Tana d'vei Chizkiyah say 'Had the Torah
only said 'Ox' and 'theft'' - theft is written before ox!
1. Suggestion: The Tana means, 'Had the Torah written
'Ox, theft'.
2. Rejection: If so, 'ox' would be a specific, 'theft'
a generality, from a specific and generality we
learn everything!
(d) Answer: Rather, the Tana means, as they are written,
'Theft, ox'.
(e) Question: If so, why should we think that all is
included?
1. 'Theft' would be a generality, 'ox' would be a
specific, from a generality and specific we only
learn the specific, an ox!
(f) Answer (Rava): The Tana is relying on 'living', a second
generality; there is a generality, specific, generality.
(g) Question: The second generality (only includes living
things, this) is unlike the first generality!
(h) Answer: He holds as Tana d'vei R. Yishmael, who holds
that this does not inhibit expounding as generality,
specific, generality; the Tana asks and answers as
follows:
1. Question: Why do we need "If will be found, you will
find" - we could learn everything from (the
generality, specific, generality) 'ox, theft,
living'!
2. Answer: If the only specific was 'ox', we would only
include animals that are offered on the Altar.
3. Question: This would include a Seh - but the Torah
explicitly writes "Seh"!
i. It must be, "Theft..." comes to include
everything (through the method of generalities
and specifics);
ii. (Summation of question): It would have sufficed
to write 'Theft, ox, Seh, living'!
4. Answer: If so, we would have thought, only animals
whose firstborn have Kedushah are included.
5. Question: That would include a donkey; but the Torah
explicitly writes "donkey"!
i. It must be, "Theft..." comes to include
everything - it would have sufficed to write
'Theft, ox, Seh, donkey, living'!
6. Answer: If so, we would only include living things.
7. Question: But the Torah explicitly writes "living"
(which includes all living things)!
i. It must be, "Theft..." comes to include
everything - why did the Torah have to say "If
will be found, you will find"?
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(i) Question: If that was the Tana's question - how does he
answer it?!
(j) Answer: We can ask as follows: the source to include
everything is the latter generality - the latter
generality is "living"!
1. Question: What do we learn from the generality,
specific, generality?
i. Suggestion: If to learn everything - we cannot,
the latter generality is "living", which can
only include living things!
2. (Summation of answer): That is why we need "If will
be found, you will find".
2) ADJACENT GENERALITIES
(a) Question: But the specifics are not between the
generalities "If will be found" and "You will find"!
(b) Answer #1 (Ravina): In such a case, we view the specifics
as being in the middle, to expound as generality,
specific, generality.
1. Question: We put "ox" between "If will be found" and
"You will find" - what does this include?
i. Suggestion: If to include - we already know
living things from "living"!
2. Answer: Rather, it includes inanimate things.
i. We expound: the specific is movable and has
intrinsic value - we include all such things.
3. Question: We put "donkey" between "If will be found"
and "You will find" - what does this include?
i. Suggestion: If to include inanimate things - we
already know this from "ox"!
4. Answer: Rather, it includes specific things (Rashi -
that have signs; Tosfos - have a measure, or are
whole).
5. Question: If so, what do we learn from "Seh"?
(c) Answer #2: Rather, we expound by the method of inclusions
and exclusions, as Tana d'vei R. Yishmael.
1. (Beraisa - Tana d'Vei R. Yishmael): "In water...in
water" - we do not expound this by the method of
generalities and specifics, rather as an inclusion,
exclusion, inclusion.
(d) Question: If we expound as inclusion, exclusion,
inclusion, everything is included - why were the
specifics written?
(e) Answer: One excludes land, 1 excludes slaves, 1 excludes
documents;
1. "Theft" and "Living" teach as Rav - the thief must
resuscitate what he stole (restore it to the value
at the time he stole it).
3) IF WILL BE FOUND...
(a) Question: According to Beraisa #2 (1 verse teaches a
thief, the other, one who claims that the deposit was
stolen), what do we learn from "If will be found, you
will find"?
(b) Answer: As Rava bar Ahila'i
1. (Rava bar Ahila'i): Rav taught, one who admits to a
fine, and witnesses later come, he is exempt - he
learns from "If will be found, you will find";
i. If he will be found through witnesses, judges
will find him liable - this excludes one who
incriminates himself (even if witnesses come
later).
(c) Question: According to Beraisa #1 (both verses speak of
one who claims that the deposit was stolen), from where
do we know this?
(d) Answer: "That the judges will find guilty" - this
excludes one who incriminates himself.
(e) Question: What does the Tana of Beraisa #2 learn from
this verse?
(f) Answer: That one who admits to a fine is exempt. (This
allows him to learn from "If will be found..." that even
if witnesses come later, he is exempt.)
1. The Tana of Beraisa #1 only has 1 verse exempting
one who admits to a fine - he holds, if witnesses
later come, he is liable.
(g) Question: According to Beraisa #2, we said that "If will
be found, you will find" teaches as Rava bar Ahila'i;
what do the specifics teach?
(h) Answer: As Tana d'vei R. Yishmael.
1. (Beraisa - Tana d'vei R. Yishmael): An entire Parsha
can be repeated for the 1 Chidush (in our case - one
who admits to a fine is exempt).
(i) Suggestion: We should say, a thief himself must swear (to
be liable to pay double)!
(j) Rejection (Beraisa - R. Yakov): "He will pay double" -
without an oath.
1. Suggestion: Perhaps this is only if he swore!
2. Rejection: It was not so.
i. Question: What does this mean?
ii. Answer (Abaye): The Torah didn't need to say
that a thief pays double - we could have
learned from a Kal va'Chomer:
iii. One who (falsely) claims that the deposit was
stolen - the object came to him in a permitted
way, yet he pays double; a thief, who took the
object in a forbidden way, all the more so he
pays double!
iv. The Torah write that a thief "Pays double" to
teach, even if he did not swear.
(k) Question: But we need "If will be found, you will find"
for another teaching!
1. (Beraisa) Question: "(If it will be found in) his
hand" - how do we know that he pays double even if
it is found on his roof or yard?
2. Answer: "If will be found, you will find" - in any
place.
(l) Answer: Had the same word been written twice - 'If will
be found, will be found' or 'If you will find, you will
find', we would only learn 1 law;
1. Since the Torah switched, we learn 2 laws.
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