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Bava Kama 61
1) A FIRE THAT SPREAD
(a) (Mishnah): A fire passed a wall of 4 Amos, or a public
road or a river - one is exempt (for what burned on the
other side).
(b) (Gemara) Contradiction (Beraisa): A fire passed a wall of
4 Amos - he is liable.
(c) Answer (Rav Papa): Our Tana speaks from above - if the
wall was 6 Amos, he is exempt, also 5, until (and
including) 4;
1. The Tana of the Beraisa speaks from below - if the
wall was 2 Amos, he is liable, also 3, until (but
not including) 4.
(d) (Rava): A wall of 4 Amos exempts, even in a field of
thorns.
(e) (Rav Papa): The 4 Amos are measured above the thorns.
(f) (Rav): The Mishnah is only by a flame that rises - but a
low (or bent) flame is liable even for crossing a wall
(Tosfos; Rashi - road) of 100 Amos.
(g) (Shmuel): The Mishnah is only by a low (or bent) flame -
but a flame that rises is exempt even for crossing a wall
(road) of any size.
(h) Support (for Rav - Beraisa): This is only by a flame that
rises - but a low (or bent) flame where wood is found, it
is liable even for crossing a road of 100 Mil (1 Mil is
2000 Amos);
1. If it crossed a river or Shlulis (explained below) 8
Amos wide, it is exempt.
(i) (Mishnah): A public road...
(j) Question: Who is the Tana of the Mishnah?
(k) Answer (Rava): R. Eliezer.
1. (Mishnah - R. Eliezer): Sixteen Amos, as the width
of a public road.
(l) (Mishnah): Or a river...
(m) (Rav): This literally means a river.
1. Even if it is dry, he is exempt;
(n) (Shmuel): It means a small irrigation ditch.
1. He is only exempt if has water.
(o) (Mishnah): The following are a division regarding Pei'ah
(requiring one to leave a corner of each field for the
poor): a Nachal (river; some say, valley), a Shlulis, a
private path, a public road.
(p) Question: What is a Shlulis?
(q) Answer #1 (Rav Yehudah): A place where rainwater Sholelim
(gathers).
(r) Answer #2 (Rav Bivi): An irrigation ditch that apportions
Shalal (profit) to its banks (by supplying water).
1. Rav Yehudah would say, all the more so an irrigation
ditch is a division;
2. Rav Bibi would not agree to a place where rainwater
gathers - that is a mere basin of the field.
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2) THE LIMIT OF RESPONSIBILITY
(a) (Mishnah - R. Elazar ben Azaryah): Reuven lit a fire in
his own premises (and it spread to his neighbor). If the
distance to his neighbor was as from the middle of a Beis
Kor, he is exempt;
1. R. Eliezer says, if 16 Amos separate them, as a
public road; R. Akiva says, 50 Amos;
2. R. Shimon says, "The one who burned the fire will
pay" - we go according to the fire.
(b) (Gemara) Question: Does R. Shimon not hold of a limit to
the responsibility for a fire?
1. (Mishnah): A person may not set up an oven in his
house unless there are 4 Amos above it; one may not
set up an oven in an upper story unless there are 3
Tefachim of plaster below it;
i. For a Kirah (an oven that does not get as hot),
1 Tefach suffices.
2. If the oven caused damage, he must pay for it;
3. R. Shimon says, if he kept the proper distance, he
is exempt.
(c) Answer (Rav Nachman): R. Shimon holds, the distance is
always according to the size of the fire.
(d) (Rav Yosef): The law is as R. Shimon.
3) LIABILITY FOR "KELIM"
(a) (Mishnah - R. Yehudah): Reuven burned a stack; vessels
were inside, they burned - he pays for them;
(b) Chachamim say, he only pays for a stack, wheat or barley.
(c) Reuven burned a stack of grain; there was a kid tied to
it and a slave nearby, and they were burned - Reuven is
liable;
1. If there was a slave tied to it and a kid nearby,
and they were burned - Reuven is exempt.
(d) Chachamim admit to R. Yehudah that one who burns a
building pays for everything inside, for people normally
put (all kinds of) things in houses.
(e) (Gemara - Rav Kahana): The argument is when Reuven lit in
his own premises, and it spread to Shimon's property: R.
Yehudah obligates him for what was hidden, Chachamim
exempt him;
1. If he lit a fire in Shimon's premises, all agree he
is liable for what was hidden.
(f) Question (Rava): If so, why does the end of the Mishnah
say, 'Chachamim admit to R. Yehudah that one who burns a
building pays for everything inside, for people normally
hide things away in houses' - it should distinguish by
the case of a stack!
1. It should say, Chachamim only exempt when Reuven lit
in his own premises - if he lit in Shimon's
premises, all agree he is liable for what was
hidden!
(g) (Rava): Rather, they argue in both cases.
1. When Reuven lit in his own premises and it spread to
Shimon's property, R. Yehudah obligates him for what
was hidden, Chachamim exempt him;
2. If he lit a fire in Shimon's premises, R. Yehudah
obligates even for anything hidden, even a wallet;
Chachamim obligate for vessels that are sometimes
put in a stack, such as tools used for threshing and
with cattle.
(h) (Beraisa - R. Yehudah): Reuven burned a stack; vessels
were inside, they burned - he pays for them;
1. Chachamim say, he only pays for a stack, wheat or
barley; we view the area of the vessels as if it was
grain;
2. This is only if Reuven made a fire in his own
premises; if he lit in Shimon's premises, all agree
he pays for everything inside.
3. If Reuven gave permission for Shimon to make a stack
in Reuven's property, and Reuven's fire burned it,
he only pays for a stack:
i. If Shimon deviated from what he had permission
to pile up, from wheat to barley or vice-versa;
or, if he piled 1 grain and covered it with a
different grain - Reuven pays for the cheaper
grain (barley).
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