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Bava Kama 4
BAVA KAMA 4 (11 Av) - dedicated by Eitan Fish in memory of his
illustrious ancestor, Hagaon Rav Yitzchak Blazer ("Reb Itzele
Peterburger"), author of "Kochevei Or" and "Pri Yitzchak" and
one of the foremost Talmidim of Hagaon Rav Yisrael Salanter,
Zatza"l. Reb Itzele passed away on 11 Av 5667 (1907) in
Yerushalayim.
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1) HOW SHMUEL EXPLAINS THE MISHNAH
(a) (Mishnah): The leniency of an ox (Keren), which has no
benefit to the damager, is unlike that of Mav'eh (Shen),
which has benefit to the damager;
1. The leniency of Shen, which has no intention to
damage, is unlike that of Keren, which has intention
to damage.
2. Question: We should be able to learn 1 from the
other from a Kal va'Chomer!
i. One is liable for Shen, which has no intention
to damage - all the more so, one should be
liable for Keren, which has intention to
damage!
3. Answer: We cannot learn from a Kal va'Chomer - one
might have thought, just as (the master of) slaves
is exempt even though they intended to damage, also
Keren.
4. Objection (Rav Ashi): We would not think so - the
only reason one is exempt for slaves is lest they
get angry at the master, and decide to cause
tremendous damage to trouble him - this reason does
not apply to animals!
5. Correction: Rather, the leniency of Keren, which has
intention to damage, is unlike that of Shen, which
has no intention to damage;
i. The leniency of Shen, in which there is benefit
to the damager, is unlike that of Keren, which
has no benefit to the damager.
(b) Question: Did the Tana teach Keren and Shen, and omit
Regel?!
(c) Answer: The end of the Mishnah, 'If they damaged, the
damager must pay from highest quality land' comes to
include Regel.
(d) Objection: Regel should have been taught explicitly!
(e) Answer #2 (to question 1:l - Rava): 'Ox' teaches Regel;
Mav'eh teaches Shen.
1. The leniency of Regel, which is common, is unlike
that of Shen, which is not common;
i. The leniency of Shen, in which there is benefit
to the damager, is unlike that of Regel, which
has no benefit to the damager.
(f) Question: Did the Tana teach Regel and Shen, and omit
Keren?!
(g) Answer: The end of the Mishnah, 'If they damaged, the
damager must pay from highest quality land' comes to
include Keren.
(h) Objection: Keren should have been taught explicitly!
(i) Answer: The Tana only lists explicitly things that are
Mu'ad (pay full damage) from the beginning.
(j) Question: Why didn't Shmuel learn as Rav?
(k) Answer: Since a later Mishnah (15B) teaches 'a Mu'ad ox,
an ox that damages on the premises of the victim, and
man', this implies that our Mishnah does not speak of
man.
(l) Question: Why doesn't our Mishnah speak of man?
(m) Answer: Our Mishnah only speaks of damages done by a
man's property, not by a man himself.
(n) Question: How does Rav explain why the later Mishnah also
mentions man?
(o) Answer: That Mishnah lists all Mu'ad damagers.
2) HOW RAV EXPLAINS THE MISHNAH
(a) Question: How does Rav explain our Mishnah (the part
saying why an ox and Mav'eh needed to be written in the
Torah)?
(b) Answer: The leniency of an ox, which (obligates its owner
to) pay Kofer (ransom when it kills someone), is unlike
that of man, who does not pay Kofer;
1. The leniency of man, who pays 4 additional damages
(pain, medical expenses, temporary unemployment, and
embarrassment) is unlike that of an ox, that is
exempt from these.
(c) Question: The end of the Mishnah says 'The common side of
all the damagers: their nature is to damage' - is that
really true of an ox?!
(d) Answer: That refers to a Mu'ad.
(e) Question: Is it really the nature of a Mu'ad to damage?
(f) Answer: Yes!
(g) Question: Is it really the nature of a man to damage?
(h) Answer: This refers to a sleeping man.
(i) Question: Is it really the nature of a sleeping man to
damage?
(j) Answer: Yes, because he retracts and stretches out his
limbs.
(k) Question: The Mishnah continues, 'You are obligated to
guard them' - regarding man, it should say 'he must guard
himself'!;
1. Counter-question: Karna taught, there are 4
damagers, man is 1 of them - how does he explain why
the Mishnah didn't say 'Man must guard himself'?
2. Answer (R. Avahu): The Mishnah should say (regarding
man), 'man must guard himself'.
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(l) Answer: Rav will also say, the Mishnah should say 'man
must guard himself'.
(m) Question (Rav Mari): We should say that Mav'eh is water -
"As water Tivah (bubbles) because of fire"!
(n) Answer: The singular conjugation "Tiv'eh" shows that the
verb refers to fire (which makes the water bubble), not
water.
(o) Question (Rav Zvid): We should say that Mav'eh is fire -
"As fire Tiv'eh (makes bubble) water"!
(p) Answer: This cannot be - our Mishnah lists Mav'eh and
Hev'er (fire).
1. Suggestion: Perhaps Hev'er explains what Mav'eh is!
2. Objection: If so, the Mishnah only listed 3 damagers
(and it says there are 4)!
3. Suggestion: Perhaps it counts an ox as 2 (Regel and
Shen, which are Mu'ad from the beginning).
4. Rejection: The Mishnah says, 'The leniency of an ox
and Mav'eh, which are alive, is unlike that of
fire';
i. Fire is not alive! Also - it says, Mav'eh is
not as fire!
3) OTHER DAMAGERS
(a) (R. Oshiyah): There are 13 primary payments of damage: a
free watchman, a borrower, a paid watchman, and one
renting an object; Nezek (lifelong loss in earning
potential), pain, medical expenses, temporary
unemployment, and embarrassment; and the 4 of our
Mishnah.
(b) Question: Why did our Tana list only 4?
(c) Answer #1 (according to Shmuel): Our Tana only lists
damage done by a man's money, not by man himself.
(d) Answer #2 (according to Rav): Our Tana listed man, and
this includes all damages of man.
(e) Question: Why did R. Oshiyah list separately these
damages of man?
(f) Answer: He distinguishes man that damages an animal from
man that damages a man.
(g) Question: If so, he should also list separately an animal
that damages man, and an animal that damages an animal!
(h) Answer: No - when man damages man, he pays 4 more damages
than when he damages an animal, there is reason to list
them separately;
1. An animal always pays only Nezek!
(i) Question: R. Oshiyah listed the 4 watchman, and they are
not cases of man damaging man!
(j) Answer: He listed them because they are damage that
happens by itself - the Mishnah only taught damage (of a
man) that he actively does.
(k) (R, Chiya): There are 24 primary payments of damage: the
double payment of a thief, the payment of 4 or 5 times
(the value of an animal sold or slaughtered after it was
stolen), a thief, a Gazlan (open robber), Edim Zomemim
(witnesses that testify about something they were not
present to see);
1. A rapist or enticer (of a virgin Na'arah), Motzi
Shem Ra (one who falsely claims that the Na'arah he
married was not a virgin);
2. One who makes Tamei, one who mixes Terumah with
Chulin, one who pours libations to idolatry, and the
13 of R. Oshiyah.
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