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by Rabbi Ephraim Becker Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Yerushalayim Rosh Kollel: Rabbi Mordecai Kornfeld
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Beitzah 11
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1) BIRDS THAT WERE PREPARED WHILE IN THEIR NEST, WHICH WERE
FOUND ON YOM TOV OUTSIDE THE NEST, MAY NOT BE USED
(a) Question: Does the Mishnah support R. Chanina (Rov
takes precedence over Karov)?
(b) Answer (Abaye): There is no proof for R. Chanina,
because the case in the Mishnah is where there is a
platform in front of the nest.
(c) Answer (Rava): There is no proof for R. Chanina,
because the case in the Mishnah is where there are two
nests, one on top of the other.
1. Obviously, if he prepared the birds in the lower
one but not the birds in the upper one, and then
on Yom Tov he found birds in the lower one and the
upper one was empty, that the birds are
prohibited, (we assume that the birds he prepared
flew away and the ones that he found hopped down
from the upper nest).
2. But even if he prepared the birds in the upper one
but not the birds in the lower one, and then on
Yom Tov he found birds in the upper one and the
lower one was empty, those birds are also
prohibited, (we assume that the birds he prepared
flew away and the ones that he found climbed up
from the lower nest to the upper one).
2) IF THE BIRDS THAT HE PREPARED WERE THE ONLY ONES THERE
(a) Question: What is the scenario where this is permitted?
(b) Answer: In a case where the birds are able to fly.
(c) Question: Then perhaps the birds he prepared flew away
and the birds he finds are other birds!
(d) Answer: Rather, it must be referring to birds that
cannot yet fly, but can only hop.
(e) Question: If there is another nest within 50 Amos (the
range of hopping birds, as taught by Mar Ukva), then
perhaps the birds he prepared hopped away and the birds
he finds are birds that hopped to here from the other
nest (and if there is no other nest within 50 Amos,
then it goes without saying that these birds are
permitted)!?
(f) Answer: There is another nest within 50 Amos of this
nest, but it is around a corner.
1. We might have thought that the birds will hop to
that nest, since it is within their hopping range
(and the birds one finds in the nest are not the
birds that he prepared and they are prohibited).
2. The Mishnah teaches that the birds that he finds
in his nest are permitted, because a bird that
hops will only hop as long as it can see its own
nest.
3) MISHNAH: TWO MORE ARGUMENTS BETWEEN BEIS SHAMAI AND BEIS
HILLEL IN HILCHOS YOMTOV
(a) (Beis Shamai) A crushing board may not be moved in
order to cut meat.
(b) (Beis Hillel) It is permitted.
(c) (Beis Shamai) A hide may not be laid down before those
who will trample on it, nor may it be picked up unless
it has at least a k'Zayis of meat on it.
(d) (Beis Hillel) It is permitted.
4) MOVING A CRUSHING BOARD ON YOM TOV
(a) (Tosefta) Beis Shamai and Beis Hillel agree that if one
already cut meat on the crushing board, it may not be
moved.
(b) (Abaye) This applies only to a wheat-crushing board,
but everyone agrees that a bone-crushing board is
permitted to be moved.
(c) Question: That is obvious, for the Mishnah mentions
only a wheat-crushing board (Ali)!
(d) Answer: You might have thought that a bone-crushing
board is also prohibited.
1. the reason the Mishnah mentions only a crushing
board is to teach the extent of Beis Hillel's
leniency, that even a Davar sh'Melachto l'Isur is
also permitted to be moved.
2. Therefore Abaye tells us that everyone agrees that
a bone-crushing board is permitted.
(e) Alternate answer (Abaye): My statement is only
necessary to teach about a brand new bone-crushing
board.
1. You might have thought that even a new
bone-crushing board is subject to the argument
between Beis Shamai and Beis Hillel, Beis Shamai
prohibiting it because one might change his mind
after moving it and decide not to use it.
2. Therefore Abaye tells us that everyone agrees that
a new bone-crushing board is permitted (and Beis
Shamai is not concerned that one will change his
mind).
3. Question: But we learned that Beis Shamai *is*
concerned that one will change his mind?
i. (Beis Shamai) It is prohibited to bring a
slaughterer and knife to the animal on Yom
Tov, and to bring the animal to the
slaughterer and knife (because the owner
might change his mind).
ii. (Beis Hillel) It is permitted.
iii. (Beis Shamai) It is prohibited to bring the
spices and crusher to the pestle, and to
bring the pestle to the spices and crusher
(because the owner might change his mind).
iv. (Beis Hillel) It is permitted.
4. Answer: The cases of an animal and spices are
different, because one is likely to change his
mind if he finds a fatter animal, or if he decides
to bring a cooked dish that does not need spices
(whereas here, he will not change his mind, since
he already slaughtered the animal, he surely will
use the bone-crushing board to chop the meat).
5) LAYING DOWN A HIDE ON YOM TOV
(a) (Tosefta) Beis Shamai and Beis Hillel agree that one
may salt meat, which will be roasted, atop the hide.
(b) (Abaye) This applies only to salting meat for roasting,
but it is prohibited to salt meat for cooking on top of
a hide.
(c) Question: That is obvious, for the Mishnah mentions
only roasting!
(d) Answer: Abaye is teaching that not all meat to be
roasted may be salted (it is prohibited to salt meat to
be roasted in the manner of salting meat for cooking).
6) SALTING FATS AND OTHER FORMS OF PRESERVATION ON YOM TOV
(a) (Tana Kama of the Beraisa): It is prohibited to salt
fats and to turn them over (so that they not rot).
(b) (R. Yehoshua) They may be spread out in the wind on
posts.
(c) (R. Masneh, first version) The Halachah is like R.
Yehoshua.
(d) (R. Masneh, second version) The Halachah is not like R.
Yehoshua.
(e) Question: While in the first version, R. Masneh is
teaching a needed Halachah (we might have thought that
the Halachah follows the majority), but according to
the second version, what Chidush is R. Masneh teaching?
(f) Answer: The Chidush is not to follow R. Yehoshua (whose
reasoning seems logical (if we do not permit it, one
will refrain from slaughtering an animal on Yom Tov and
thus refrain from Simchas Yom Tov).
(g) Question: (According to second version of R. Masneh)
Why does that case differ from the case of laying down
a hide, which Beis Hillel permits (so that one will not
refrain from Simchas Yom Tov)?
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(h) Answer: In the case of the hide, it is not obvious that
it is being laid down for processing, because it is
also fit to recline upon, but in the case of the fats,
it is obvious that they are being spread out in order
to preserve them, and thus one might think that it is
also permitted to salt them.
7) SALTING MEAT FOR COOKING ON YOM TOV
(a) (R. Yehudah citing Shmuel) One may salt many pieces of
meat in one salting, even though he does not need all
of them.
(b) R. Ada b. Ahavah acted cunningly, and salted one piece
of meat (in order to eat it) and then another.
8) MISHNAH: REMOVING SHUTTERS ON YOMTOV
(a) (Beis Shamai) It is not permitted to remove a shutter
(b) (Beis Hillel) It is even permitted to restore it.
9) SHUTTERS
(a) Question: What type of shutters are Beis Hillel
permitting (even to restore)?
(b) Answer (Ula): Those of a merchant case.
(c) (Ula) There are three listed actions which Chazal
permitted in order to promote other causes.
1. Spreading the hide lest the person otherwise not
slaughter meat for YomTov.
2. Restoring the shutters of the merchants, lest
people otherwise not be supplied with the spices
for YomTov.
3. Restoring a bandage on YomTov (in the Mikdash)
lest one otherwise avoid doing the Avodah.
4. (Rachba citing R. Yehudah) Another instance is
permitting (according to R. Yehudah) the goods
which may have been touched by an Am Ha'aretz,
even after the Regel has passed, lest storekeepers
otherwise would not open their stores to the
public on the Regel.
(d) Question: Spreading the hides is a Mishnah (wherein
Beis Hillel permits this)!?
(e) Answer: We might have understood Beis Hillel as
permitting because of other YomTov uses, and thus
permitted even a hide from an animal slaughtered before
YomTov (and not restricted to those slaughtered on
YomTov it owing to Ula's explanation).
(f) Question: Restoring the shutters is also a Mishnah!?
(g) Answer: We might have understood Beis Hillel as
permitting it based on Ein Binyan b'Keilim.
(h) Question: Restoring a bandage is also a Mishnah!?
(i) Answer: We might have understood the Heter as due to
Ein Shvus b'Mikdash (and even a non-serving Kohen could
take advantage of the Heter).
(j) Question: Opening the Chavis (and deeming it Tahor) is
also a Mishnah!?
(k) Answer: We might have understood that Chazal saw Tumas
Am Ha'aretz as Tahor on the Regel (and thus permitted
even that which was not begun to be sold).
(l) Question: Why didn't Ula mention Rachba's case?
(m) Answer: He was only teaching undisputed cases.
(n) Question: But the other cases are all subject to
Machlokes Beis Hillel and Beis Shamai!?
(o) Answer: We don't regard Beis Shamai as a contest to
Beis Hillel.
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