Ask A Question on the daf

Previous daf

1) MOSHE'S DECISIONS

(a) Question: Why don't Beis Hillel learn from Moshe?
(b) Answer: It was Moshe's own decision to cease having children.

1. (Beraisa): Moshe made 3 decisions on his own, and Hash-m agreed with him: he separated from his wife, he broke the Tablets, and he added a day (to the preparation period before the giving of the Torah).
2. Question: Why did he separate from his wife?
3. Answer: He made a Kal v'Chomer - Yisrael, that only spoke with Hash-m once, were commanded to refrain from relations beforehand - I, who Hash-m speaks with at all times, should certainly refrain!

i. Hash-m agreed to this - "Yisrael should return to their tents, you (Moshe) remain here with me".

4. Question: Why did he break the Tablets?
5. Answer: He made a Kal v'Chomer - Eating the Pesach sacrifice is 1 of 613 Mitzvos - the Torah said "Any apostate may not eat from it" - all the more so, the entire Torah may not be given to Yisrael, who are serving idolatry.

i. Hash-m agreed to this - (Reish Lakish): "That you broke" - Your strength should be increased for breaking them.

6. Question: Why did he decide to add a day to the preparation before the giving of the Torah?
7. Answer: He expounded - "Sanctify today and tomorrow - today should be as tomorrow.

i. Just as tomorrow includes the night, also today (the 1st of the days of separation) includes the night - since the night had already passed, the 1st day of separation must be tomorrow.
ii. Hash-m agreed to this - He did not put His presence on Mount Sinai until Shabbos.

(a) (Beraisa): R. Noson says, Beis Shamai say, 2 males and 2 females; Beis Hillel say, a male and a female.
(b) (Rav Huna): According to R. Noson, Beis Shamai learns from "And she further gave birth to his brother, Hevel" - Hevel and his sister, Kayin and his sister; and it says, "Hash-m gave me other seed, in place of Hevel";

1. Chachamim say, Adam was just thanking Hash-m.

(c) (A differing Beraisa): R. Noson says, Beis Shamai say, 1 male and 1 female; Beis Hillel say, a male or a female.
(d) (Rava): According to R. Noson, Beis Hillel learn from "Not for naught was the world created, (rather) to be inhabited it was created" - having one child inhabits the world.
(e) A Nochri had children, then converted - R. Yochanan says, he has fulfilled Piryah v'Rivyah (the Mitzvah to have children), Reish Lakish says, he has not fulfilled it.

1. R. Yochanan says, he has fulfilled Piryah v'Rivyah - he had children!
2. Reish Lakish says, he has not fulfilled it - a convert is as a newborn.
3. This is as they argued elsewhere.

(f) A Nochri had children, then converted - R. Yochanan says, his first son born after conversion is not considered a firstborn, for he has previous sons;
Reish Lakish says, he is considered a firstborn, since a firstborn Nochri has no special law of inheritance.
(g) It was necessary for R. Yochanan and Reish Lakish to argue in both cases.

1. If they only argued in the 1st case - one would say, R. Yochanan only argued there, because Piryah v'Rivyah also applies to Nochrim; but regarding inheritance, he would admit to Reish Lakish;
2. If they only argued in the 2nd case - one would say, Reish Lakish only argued there, but regarding Piryah v'Rivyah, he would admit to R. Yochanan.
3. Question (R. Yochanan): "Bradach Bladan Ben Bladan ..." (we see, their children are considered children)!
4. Answer: (Reish Lakish): While they are Nochrim, they have lineage; when they convert, they lose it.
5. (Rav): All agree that a slave has no lineage - "Stay here with the donkey" - the nation (of slaves) resembles a donkey.
6. Question: "To Tziva were 15 children and 20 slaves".
7. Answer (Rav Acha Bar Yakov): They are considered offspring, just as "A bull, son of cattle".
8. Question: If so, say the same by Nochrim!
9. Answer #1: By Nochrim, it specifies the names of the son and the father; by slaves, it does not.
10. Answer #2: In another place, a Nochri is traced to his father and grandfather - "Ben Hadad, son of Tavrimum, son of Chaziyon.

(h) A man had children, and they died. (Rav Huna): He has fulfilled Piryah v'Rivyah; R. Yochanan says, he has not.

1. Rav Huna holds as Rav Asi.

i. (Rav Asi): "A spirit ...(and I made souls)" - (Mashiach) the son of David will not come until all souls in 'Guf'' are completed.

2. R. Yochanan says he has not fulfilled Piryah v'Rivyah - we require "(The world) was created to be settled", and this is lacking.

(i) Question (Beraisa): Grandchildren are as children (a living grandchild substitutes in place of his deceased parent).
(j) Answer: No - no substitute is needed for a deceased child - the Beraisa teaches that grandchildren join with children to fulfill the required number of boys and girls.
(k) Question (Beraisa): Grandchildren are as children; if a child died, or was found to be a Eunuch, he did not fulfill Piryah v'Rivyah,

1. This refutes Rav Huna.

(l) (Beraisa): Grandchildren are as children.

1. (Abaye): This means, a son of a son, or a daughter of a daughter, and all the more so a son of a daughter, but not a daughter to a son.
2. Objection (Rava): We require "(The world) was created to be settled", and we have this!

(m) Both agree that we cannot count 2 grandchildren from one child.
(n) Question: Is this really so?

1. But Rabanan told Rav Sheshes - 'Marry a woman and have children' - and he answered, 'The sons of my daughter are (as) sons'!

(o) Answer: He pushed them off (with an incorrect answer - he didn't remarry, because) he became sterile from Rav Huna's class (he did not leave to urinate when he felt the need).
(p) Question (Rabah): From where did Chachamim learn, grandchildren are as children?

1. Suggestion: If from "The daughters are my daughters, the sons are my sons" - if so, "The flock is my flock", will we also say (that they are as Lavan's children)?!
2. Rejection: Rather, we must say, "Is my flock" - that you acquired from me - we can similarly explain, the children you acquired from me!

(q) Answer: Rather, from "Chetzron fathered Sheguv from Machir's daughter"; "Rulers came from Machir"; "Yehudah is my ruler" (it must be, the descendants which came through Machir's daughter are as sons).

(a) Our Mishnah is unlike R. Yehoshua.

1. (Beraisa - R. Yehoshua): If a man married in his youth, he should marry in his old age; if he had children in his youth, he should have children in his old age - "Seed your seed in the morning, and do not withhold in the evening, for you do not know which will be better."
2. R. Akiva says, if a man learned Torah in his youth, he should learn in his old age; if he had Talmidim in his youth, he should have Talmidim in his old age - "Seed your seed ....".

(b) R. Akiva had 12,000 pairs of Talmidim, from Gavas to Antiperus; they all died in one period, because they did not act with honor to each other. The world was desolate until R. Akiva went to our teachers in the south and taught them - R. Meir, R. Yehudah, R. Yosi, R. Shimon and R. Elazar Ben Shamua - they stood up the Torah at that time.

1. (Beraisa): All the 24,000 Talmidim died between Pesach and Shavuos.
2. (Rav Chama Bar Aba): They all died a bad death.
3. Question: What is that?
4. Answer (Rav Nachman): Croup.

(c) (Rav Masneh): The law is as R. Yehoshua.
(d) (R. Tanchum): Any single man dwells without joy, blessing or good.

1. Without joy - "You will rejoice, you and your household."
2. Without blessing - "To put a blessing on your household."
3. Without good - "It is not good, man being alone."

(e) In Eretz Yisrael, they say, without Torah, and without a wall.

1. Without Torah - "If my helpmate is not with me, Torah is cast from me".
2. Without a wall - "A female will surround a man."

(f) (Rava Bar Ula): Without Shalom - "... Shalom is your tent ..."
(g) (R. Yehoshua Ben Levi): Anyone who knows that his wife fears Heaven, and he does not have relations in the proper time is called a sinner - "You will know that Shalom is your tent" (and will have relations).
(h) (R. Yehoshua Ben Levi): A man must be with his wife before he goes on a trip - "You will know that Shalom is your tent" (and will be with his wife).
(i) Question: That is learned from "Your desire is to your husband" - this teaches, a woman desires her husband when he goes away!
(j) Answer (Rav Yosef): R. Yehoshua Ben Levi's teaching is needed for the case when she is due to become Nidah soon (normally, intimacy would be forbidden).
(k) Question: How much time before?
(l) Answer (Rava): The day or night she expects to become Nidah.
(m) This only applies to an optional trip; but if he is leaving to do a Mitzvah, he need not be with her, lest this distract him from the Mitzvah.
(n) (Beraisa): One who loves his wife as himself, and honors her more than himself - and guides his sons and daughters in the straight path, and marries them off shortly before adulthood - on such a person, it says "You will know that Shalom is your tent".
(o) One who loves his neighbors, and draws his relatives close, and marries his sister's daughter, and lends a poor man when he needs it - on such a person, it says "Then you will call, and Hash-m will answer; you will call, and He will say, 'I am here'".