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Sanhedrin, 86
1) THE ACTS OF KIDNAPPING AND SELLING A PERSON
QUESTION: The Gemara discusses an argument between Chizkiyah and Rebbi
Yochanan concerning someone who kidnaps and sells his victim. If two
witnesses saw the kidnapping and two other witnesses saw the sale, Chizkiyah
maintains that neither set can be made into Edim Zomemim. Rebbi Yochanan
argues and maintains that both sets can be made into Edim Zomemim.
The Gemara explains that their argument is based on an argument between
Rebbi Akiva and the Chachamim. Chizkiyah follows the view of Rebbi Akiva,
who derives from the word "Davar" (Devarim 19:15) that the testimony of
witnesses is valid only when all of the testimony is given by one set of
witnesses, and it is not split up among numerous sets of witnesses --
"'Davar' v'Lo Chatzi Davar." When one set of witnesses testifies about the
kidnapping and another set testifies about the sale, none of the testimony
is acceptable. The Chachamim argue and maintain that the testimony of each
set of witnesses is valid because they combine to form one complete "Davar,"
and Rebbi Yochanan follows their opinion.
If the basis of the argument between Chizkiyah and Rebbi Yochanan is the
argument between Rebbi Akiva and the Chachamim concerning "Davar v'Lo Chatzi
Davar," then why are Chizkiyah and Rebbi Yochanan discussing whether or not
the witnesses can become Edim Zomemim? They should argue whether or not the
testimony of these witnesses are accepted in Beis Din in the first place to
convict the defendant! (BA'AL HA'ME'OR)
ANSWERS:
(a) The BA'AL HA'ME'OR answers that, indeed, the fact that Chizkiyah and
Rebbi Yochanan are arguing only about whether or not these witnesses can
become Edim Zomemim shows that their argument is *not* the same as the
argument between Rebbi Akiva and the Chachamim. The Gemara did not mention
this challenge, because the Gemara (86b), quoting Rav Papa, challenges this
explanation of their argument with a strong question -- from a different
statement that Chizkiyah himself made.
(b) The CHIDUSHEI HA'RAN answers as follows. If Rebbi Yochanan would have
stated merely that the kidnapper is killed based on the testimony of the two
sets of witnesses, we would not have known that the first set of witnesses
(those who testify about the Geneivah) can be punished as Edim Zomemim. We
would have thought that Rebbi Yochanan agrees with the principle of "Davar
v'Lo Chatzi Davar." The reason the kidnapper is Chayav Misah is because each
testimony of the two sets of witnesses is considered testimony for a
complete event, and not for a "Chatzi Davar." This is because the act of
kidnapping is totally independent of the subsequent act of selling the
victim. If, however, the first set of witnesses turn out to be Edim Zomemim,
Beis Din would not be able to kill them, since they did not give testimony
that would have caused the kidnapper to be killed (all they said was that he
stole a person, but not that he stole and sold a person). Rebbi Yochanan
therefore teaches that the witnesses can even be killed if they are found to
be Edim Zomemim, because he maintains that the testimony of the witnesses
who testify about the kidnapping are considered to be a single testimony
together with the testimony of the witnesses to the sale of the person.
Their testimonies together make the kidnapper Chayav Misah.
Why, though, is the kidnapper Chayav Misah based on the combined testimonies
of the two sets of witnesses? If the first set can be punished with death if
they are found to be Edim Zomemim, then their testimony is not independent
of the testimony of the second set of witnesses, but rather it is part and
parcel of one whole testimony. This, however, contradicts the principle of
"Davar v'Lo Chatzi Davar," and we should not kill the kidnapper based on
their testimony! The Gemara proves from here that Rebbi Yochanan does *not*
agree with the principle of "Davar v'Lo Chatzi Davar," but rather he holds
that even when one set of witnesses testify about a "Chatzi Davar," their
testimony is accepted. (Y. Montrose)
86b
2) WITH WHOM MUST A "ZAKEN MAMREI" DISAGREE IN ORDER TO BE PUNISHED
OPINIONS: The Mishnah describes how a judge is able to become a Zaken
Mamrei. He first approaches other courts and tells them of his ruling, which
is counter to the ruling of the Sanhedrin. If the judges of the other courts
are unsuccessful at dissuading him from his opinion, he then approaches the
Sanhedrin. If they rule against him, he is not permitted to instruct someone
to act in accordance with the way that he insists is correct. If he does
instruct someone to act in accordance with his own opinion and that person
indeed conducts himself in that way, then the judge is killed as a Zaken
Mamrei.
Must every member of the Sanhedrin disagree with this judge's opinion, or is
the ruling of a majority of the Sanhedrin against this judge's opinion
enough to make him punishable as a Zaken Mamrei?
(a) The ME'IRI writes that "it seems that one does not become a Zaken Mamrei
until he argues with all seventy-one" judges of the Sanhedrin, "but if there
was one among them who agreed with his opinion, then he is not killed" as a
Zaken Mamrei. He writes that this is the view of many of the earlier
Rishonim. (See MARGOLIYOS HA'YAM who suggests a source for this opinion.)
(b) The RAMBAM (in Perush ha'Mishnayos) argues and states that the judges of
the Sanhedrin discuss the ruling "until all *or most* agree." This is also
the opinion of the RAMBAN (in his commentary to Sefer ha'Mitzvos, Shoresh
Rishon, p. 26). (Y. Montrose)
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