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1) KIDUSH BIMKOM SEUDAH

(a) [Rav] Those who recite Kidush in the Synagogue have fulfilled their Kidush obligation but would still recite HaGafen over wine.
(b) [Shmuel] They have not even fulfilled their Kidush obligation.
(c) Question: According to Rav, why recite Kidush at home?
(d) Answer: To be Motze his household.
(e) Question: According to Shmuel, why recite Kidush in the Synagogue?
(f) Answer: To be Motze the guests in residence.
(g) Shmuel is consistent with his position elsewhere that Kidush must be recited in the place of the meal.

1. The students thought that Shmuel's position restricts moving from house to house, but allows moving within one house.
2. R. Anan reported that Shmuel would repeat Kidush if he moved even within the house.
3. In the cited incident we see that R. Huna also holds that Kidush is only Bimkom Seudah.
4. Abaye reported that Rabah also ruled this way.
5. Question: But this is not one of the three occasions where Rabah ruled like Shmuel (he otherwise followed Rav)?!

(i) We may detach Tzitzis for placement on another garment.
(ii) One may kindle one Chanukah candle from another.
(iii) One may drag a bed, without intending to make a rut.

6. Answer: He followed Rav's stringencies but not Rav's leniencies.

(a) [R. Yochanan who holds that they need not even recite HaGafen over wine at home] is consistent with his position elsewhere [that a change of place does not warrant a new Brachah Rishonah].

(b) Question: But the Bereisa teaches that change of place *does* warrant a new HaGafen?!
(c) Answer: This refutes R. Yochanan.
(d) It was reported in the name of R. Huna that Shinui Makom warrants a new Brachah only when moving from house to house, not within the same house.
(e) It was reported that a Bereisa supports R. Huna's qualification.
(f) Question: Did R. Huna, then, teach a Bereisa?
(g) Answer: R. Huna had not heard that Bereisa.
(h) R. Chisda taught another qualification, that the new Brachah Rishonah is only required with foods which do not require their Brachah Acharonah in their place.

1. Question: Why?
2. Answer: He is [mentally] attached to his original meal.

(i) R. Sheshes maintained that he *always* must recite a new Brachah.
(j) Question on R. Chisda: We learned from a Bereisa that one *would* have to recite a new Brachah even for those foods which the Brachah Acharonah must be recited in their place!?

1. The case of the Bereisa involved those who, in the midst of a meal, got up to greet a Chasan or Kalah.
2. They need not make Brachos Acharonos on their way out, nor Brachos Rishonos upon their return.
3. The Bereisa qualifies- that is only if they left someone by the meal, otherwise they *would* need to make new Brachos.
4. We are presumably dealing with foods which require their Brachah Acharonah be made in their place, yet they would have to make new Brachos unless they left an invalid in their place!