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prepared by Rabbi Eliezer Chrysler
Kollel Iyun Hadaf, Jerusalem
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Nidah 53
Questions
1)
(a) According to Rebbi Yehudah ben Agra, even if the bloodstain does not
total three ki'Gerisin plus, she is still Temei'ah (because we suspect that
maybe she saw on two Bein ha'Shamashos, or once during the day, and the
second one during the following Bein ha'Shemashos).
(b) According to Rebbi Yehudah, Bein ha'Shemashos is the half Mil or so
(see Gilyon ha'Shas) walking time (nine minutes) from sunset leading upto
night.
Whereas according to Rebbi Yossi, it is no more than the split second
before night (which, at this stage, we presume begins as soon as that of
Rebbi Yehudah ends).
(c) Since she examined herself during the Bein ha'Shemashos of Rebbi
Yehudah, and there was no blood, when later on, she discovers two
ki'Gerisin of blood on her vest, she does not need to contend with having
seen during Bein ha'Shemashos to combine with one other sighting, to render
her a Zavah. But, according to Rebbi Yehudah ben Agra, who holds like Rebbi
Yossi, she *does* have to contend with this, because maybe she saw during
the Bein ha'Shemashos of Rebbi Yossi, like whom he holds.
(d) She is obligated to examine herself for the entire Bein ha'Shamashos
period.
2)
(a) If Rebbi means that he agrees with Rebbi Yehudah ben Agra when she did
not examine herself during the Bein ha'Shemashos of Rebbi Yossi, but only
during the Bein ha'Shemashos of Rebbi Yehudah, that would infer that Rebbi
Yehudah ben Agra himself speaks even when she examined herself during the
Bein ha'Shemashos of Rebbi Yehudah (and that even there, she would be a
Zavah). But why should that be? If she examined herself throughout the
combined Bein ha'Shemashos of Rebbi Yehudah and Rebbi Yossi, there is no
reason to contend with her having seen during Bein ha'Shemashos.
(b) According to the contention that the Chachamim when she did not examine
herself at all, Rebbi will hold that, as long as she examined herself
during the Bein ha'Shemashos of Rebbi Yehudah, she is not a Zavah. Because
he considers the Bein ha'Shemashos of Rebbi Yossi definite night, and not a
Safek.
(c) When Rebbi says 'And the words of the Chachamim when she *did*, he
cannot mean that he agrees with them when she examined herself during the
Bein ha'Shemashos of Rebbi Yehudah, but not of Rebbi Yossi, because that
would infer that their opinion extends even to when she did not examine
herself at all (and that even there, she is not a Zavah). But why not,
since she did failed to examine herself at all during Bein ha'Shemashos,
why should we not contend le'Chumra that perhaps she saw during Bein
ha'Shemashos?
So we have to explain that, what Rebbi means is that he agrees with the
Chachamim when she examined herself during the Bein ha'Shemashos of both
Rebbi Yehudah and of Rebbi Yossi. But, had she not examined herself during
the Bein ha'Shemashos of Rebbi Yossi, we *would* be Choshesh, and she
*would* be a Zavah. This means that Rebbi considers the Bein ha'Shemashos
of Rebbi Yossi a Safek. Bur did we not infer from his first statement that
he considers Rebbi Yossi's Bein ha'Shamashos to be night.
(d) We are therefore forced to re-learn Rebbi's words, and to explain that
what he meant was, that the words of Rebbi Yehudah ben Agra (who considers
her a Zavah) appeal to the Rabbanan when she was not Bodek at all, and the
words of the Rabbanan (who say that she is not a Zavah) appeal to Rebbi
Yehudah ben Agra when she was Bodek during both Bein ha'Shemashos. Their
argument, as we explained earlier, is when she made a Bedikah during the
Bein ha'Shemashos of Rebbi Yehudah, but not of Rebbi Yossi.
3)
(a) If Rebbi agrees with Rebbi Yehudah ben Agra when she examined herself
during the Bein ha'Shamashos of Rebbi Yehudah but not of Rebbi Yossi, then
that would imply that Rebbi Yehudah ben Agra (whose initial statement in
this Beraisa is that he does *not* contend with a sighting Bein
ha'Shemashos - although Rebbi claims that he heard from him otherwise), is
not Choshesh if she was not Bodek at all! But how can that be?
So we must explain Rebbi to mean that he agrees with Rebbi Yehudah ben
Agra, when she was Bodek during the Bein ha'Shemashos of both Rebbi Yehudah
and of Rebbi Yossi. Which means that Rebbi Yehudah ben Agra himself will
not be Choshesh, if she examined herself during the Bein ha'Shemashos of
Rebbi Yehudah only, but not of Rebbi Yossi. So he considers the Bein
ha'Shemashos of Rebbi Yossi to be night.
But did we not prove earlier that, in his opinion, the Bein ha'Shemashos of
Rebbi Yossi is a Safek (since this was his very bone of contention with the
Tana Kama in the previous Beraisa)?
(b) If not for Rebbi, we would answer that, in the first Beraisa, Rebbi
Yehudah ben Agra is speaking when she examined herself during the Bein
ha'Shemashos of Rebbi Yehudah but not of Rebbi Yossi (as we explained); and
the second Beraisa when she examined herself during both Bein ha'Shemashos.
(c) According to Rebbi, we will have to explain that Rebbi Yehudah ben Agra
in the second Beraisa incorporates the Bein ha'Shemashos of Rebbi Yossi in
that of Rebbi Yehudah - in other words, the Bein ha'Shemashos of Rebbi
Yossi takes place during the last moment of Rebbi Yehudah's Bein
ha'Shemashos. Consequently, since she examined herself during the Bein
ha'Shemashos of Rebbi Yehudah, she automatically examined herself during
the Bein ha'Shemashos of Rebbi Yossi, and the stain that she subsequently
found cannot have emerged during Bein ha'Shemashos.
Whereas, in the first Beraisa, Rebbi Yehudah ben Agra holds that the Bein
ha'Shemashos of Rebbi Yossi begins only after that of Rebbi Yehudah
terminates, and she examined herself only during the Beis ha'Shemashos of
Rebbi Yehudah, but not during that of Rebbi Yossi.
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4)
(a) If a woman sees a bloodstain, according to Rebbi, she is Temei'ah
retroactively, which means that she must be Metam'ah everything that she
touched, both Kodshim and Taharos, since the last time that she washed the
garment.
(b) Rebbi Shimon ben Elazar agrees with Rebbi as regards Kodshim, but not
as regards Chulin, because, he says, the stains should not be more
stringent than the actual sightings, which are only Metamei retroactively
going back twenty-four hours (and not to the last laundering even when it
is more than twenty-four hours earlier).
(c) How can Rebbi Shimon ben Elazar give his reason as 'the stains should
not be more stringent than the actual sightings, when he himself, admits
that the stains by Kodshim are more stringent than the sightings?
(d) What Rebbi Elazar ben Azarya actually says, is that not even by
Kodshim, is she Metam'ah retroactively, in order that the stains should not
be more stringent than the sightings.
5)
(a) According to Rebbi, if she sees blood within twenty-four hours of
finding a bloodstain, she only has to reckon a Mei'es le'Es retroactively
from the time that she saw blood, and not from the time of the bloodstain.
(b) Rebbi Shimon ben Elazar agrees with that when she sees *before*
nightfall, but when her sighting is *after* nightfall, then, he maintains,
she is Metam'ah the garment retroactively from the time that she washed
it.
(c) According to Ravina, Rebbi prefers his own opinion to that of Rebbi
Shimon ben Elazar, because he is more lenient than Rebbi Shimon, and, since
stains are only mi'de'Rabbanan, it is appropriate to be lenient.
(d) According to Rav Nachman, Rebbi was saying that he prefers the opinion
of Shimon ben Elazar, who is more lenient as regards Zivus, because,
according to him, should she see blood after the nightfall following her
bloodstain, we do not connect her bloodstain to the sighting. That means
that we only count her days of Nidus from the sighting. Should she
subsequently see again on the seventh day after the previous sighting, this
will be the last day of Nidus, and she will not need to watch the following
day; also, even if she sees two more days, they will not combine with that
sighting to make her a Zavah.
Whereas according to Rebbi, the blood that she sees after nightfall will
combine with the bloodstain. Consequently, her Nidus will terminate one day
earlier, so that, when she sees on the seventh day (the eighth day after
the bllodstain, that will be the first day of Zivus. Consequently, she will
be required to watch the next day, and, if should she see twice on the next
two days, she will be a Zavah.
6)
(a) Rebbi Zeira's Sha'aleh was, whether if, following a bloodstain, the
woman needs to make a Bedikah at the end of the seventh day before she
Tovels, in order to finish her days of Tum'ah in Taharah (known as Hefsek
Taharah.
(b) Rebbi Yochanan and Resh Lakish argue over Rebbi's Din: whether
connecting the sighting after nightfall with the bloodstain of before, only
applies if she made a Bedikah at the end of the seventh day (Hefsek
Taharah) - which means that she had in mind to link the sighting to the
bloodstain , but if no Bedikah was made, then we say that she had in mind
to count the sighting independently. That is the opinion of Resh Lakish. Or
whether like Rebbi Yochanan says, it makes no difference whether she made a
Bedikah or not, since the connection of the sighting to the bloodstain is
not dependent upon her thoughts or intentions.
(c) In any event, we see that it was customary to make a Bedikah on the
seventh day after the bloodstain (otherwise, there would be no case for
Rebbi Yochanan and Resh Lakish to argue over), thereby resolving Rebbi
Zeira's Sha'aleh.
7)
(a) A woman who sees blood during Bein ha'Shemashos of the eleventh day of
Zivus is a Safek last day of Zivus, who will be obligated to watch the next
day for Zivus. Also, should she see blood for the next two days, she will
be a Zavah. But she is also a Safek first day of Nidus. Consequently, she
will have to keep seven days of Nidus whether she sees again or not.
(b) Should she see again on the seventh day, she will have to keep all the
Chumros of the first day of Nidus (in case the first sighting was the end
of Zivus), and of the first day of Zivus (in case it was the beginning of
Nidus).
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