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Makos 8
1) KO'ACH OF KO'ACH
(a) (Rav Papa): If Reuven threw a clump of earth at a date
tree, it detached dates and they fell and killed someone,
Rebbi is Mechayev Galus, Chachamim exempt.
(b) Objection: This is obvious!
(c) Answer: One might have thought, this is like Ko'ach
(impetus) of his Ko'ach (since he was not touching the
earth when it detached the dates), Rebbi would agree that
he is exempt.
(d) Question: What is a case of Ko'ach of his Ko'ach that
Rebbi would agree is exempt?
(e) Answer: He threw a clump of earth, it detached a branch,
which fell and hit a cluster of dates and uprooted them,
and they killed.
2) WHERE WAS THE VICTIM KILLED?
(a) (Mishnah): If Reuven threw a rock into Reshus ha'Rabim
and it killed, he goes to Galus;
(b) R. Eliezer ben Yakov says, if the victim stuck out his
head after the rock left Reuven's hand, Reuven is exempt.
(c) If Reuven threw a rock in his property and it killed, he
goes to Galus only if the victim had permission to enter.
1. "Va'Asher Yavo Es Re'ehu va'Ya'ar" - Galus only
applies when the killer and victim both were allowed
to be there, like in a forest;
i. This excludes the killer's property, where the
victim is forbidden to enter.
2. Aba Sha'ul says, cutting wood is Reshus (optional,
not a Mitzvah) - Galus only applies to Reshus, not
to a father hitting his son, a Rebbi chastising a
Talmid, or a Shali'ach of Beis Din (to lash).
(d) (Gemara) Question: If Reuven threw a rock into Reshus
ha'Rabim, he is (close to) Mezid, he does not go to
Galus!
(e) Answer (Rav Shmuel bar Yitzchak): The case is, Reuven
destroyed his wall.
(f) Question: Still (he is close to Mezid), he should have
looked if anyone is around!
(g) Answer: He destroyed it at night.
(h) Question: Still, he should have looked!
(i) Answer: He destroyed it into a waste area.
(j) Question: What is the case?
1. If people often relieve themselves there, he is
close to Mezid!
2. If people normally do not relieve themselves there,
he is close to Ones!
(k) Answer (Rav Papa): The case is, people often relieve
themselves there at night, they do not *often* do so by
day, but occasionally they do, therefore he is neither
Mezid nor Ones.
(l) (Mishnah - R. Eliezer ben Yakov): (If the victim stuck
out his head...)
(m) (Beraisa): "U'Matza" - this excludes the case when the
victim brought himself to be damaged;
1. R. Eliezer ben Yakov learns from here that if the
victim stuck out his head after the rock left
Reuven's hand, Reuven is exempt.
(n) Question: This implies that 'Matza' connotes finding
something there from the beginning;
1. Contradiction (Beraisa): "U'Matza" (he will acquire
money to redeem his field) - this forbids selling a
far-away or bad field (i.e. that he is not so eager
to keep) in order to redeem (against the will of the
buyer) a close or good field.
(o) Answer (Rava): We learn from the context of the verses:
1. There, "U'Matza" resembles "V'Hisigah Yado" (surely,
he did not have money when he sold, he only acquired
it now);
2. Here, "U'Matza" resembles the forest, it was there
from the beginning.
3) RESHUS
(a) (Mishnah): ...(Aba Sha'ul says, cutting wood is
Reshus...)
(b) Version #1 - Question: What is the source that the verse
discusses cutting of Reshus? Perhaps he cuts for the sake
of a Sukah, or to be burned on the Mizbe'ach (a Mitzvah),
and even so, if he kills, he goes to Galus!
(c) Answer #1 (Rava): Those examples are (only Hechsher
(preparation for) Mitzvos,) not (actual) Mitzvos;
1. If he had wood already, there would be no Mitzvah to
cut more - therefore, even if he lacks wood, cutting
is not a Mitzvah.
2. Question (Ravina - Mishnah): This excludes a father
hitting his son, a Rebbi chastising a Talmid, or a
Shali'ach of Beis Din.
i. We do not say, since if the son would be
learning properly, there would be no Mitzvah to
hit him, even if he is not learning properly,
there is no Mitzvah to hit him!
3. Answer: It is always a Mitzvah to hit him - "Yaser
Bincha Vi'Nichecha".
(d) Answer #2 (Rava): A better proof is from the verse
"Va'Asher Yavo (*if* he will come) Es Re'ehu va'Ya'ar" -
this does not discuss a Mitzvah, for then he must enter!
(e) Question (Rav Ada bar Ahavah): Does 'Asher' always refers
to Reshus?!
1. "V'Ish Asher Yitma" - is it always optional to
become Tamei?! One must become Tamei for a Mes
Mitzvah (an unattended corpse)!
(f) Answer (Rava): There is different, it says "Tamei Yihyeh"
- in any case (i.e. sometimes he must become Tamei).
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(g) Question: We need that verse for a different law!
1. (Beraisa): "Tamei Yihyeh" - this includes a Tevul
Yom; "Od Tum'aso Bo" - this includes a Mechushar
Kipurim (if either of them enters the Mikdash, he is
Chayav Kares).
(h) Answer (Rava): I learn from "Od" (this is extra, to teach
that sometimes he must become Tamei).
(i) Version #2 (Beraisa - R. Akiva): "Be'Charish uva'Katzir
Tishbos" - we already know that plowing and reaping in
Shemitah are forbidden - "Sadcha Lo Sizra v'Charmecha Lo
Sizmor"
1. Rather, this comes to forbid plowing in Erev
Shemitah so the land will be better in Shemitah, and
to give Kedushas Shemitah to produce reaped in
Motzei Shemitah which was a third grown in Shemitah.
2. R. Yishmael says, (the verse forbids plowing and
reaping on Shabbos -) just as plowing is Reshus,
also reaping - this excludes reaping the Omer, which
is a Mitzvah, it is permitted on Shabbos.
(j) Question: What is the source that the verse discusses
plowing of Reshus? Perhaps he plows for the sake of the
Omer (a Mitzvah), and even so, it is forbidden on
Shabbos!
(k) Answer #1 (Rava): If he already had a plowed field, there
would be no Mitzvah to plow another for the sake of the
Omer - this shows that plowing is not a Mitzvah!
1. Question (Ravina - Mishnah): This excludes a father
hitting his son, a Rebbi chastising a Talmid, or a
Shali'ach of Beis Din.
i. We do not say, since if the son would be
learning, there would be no Mitzvah to hit him,
there is never a Mitzvah to hit him!
2. Answer: It is always a Mitzvah to hit him - "Yaser
Bincha..."
(l) Answer #2 (Rava): A better answer is that the comparison
between plowing and reaping is as follows: Just as with
plowing, if one already had a plowed field he would
never have a Mitzvah to plow another, so too, the Torah
is referring to the type of reaping that if one already
had reaped his field, he would not have a Mitzvah to reap
another. This excludes the reaping of the Omer, which is
permitted on Shabbos.
4) EXEMPTIONS FROM GALUS
(a) (Mishnah): A father can get Galus for killing his son, a
son can get Galus for killing his father.
(b) Anyone can get Galus for killing a Yisrael, a Yisrael can
get Galus for killing anyone, except for a Ger Toshav (a
Ben No'ach who accepted to keep his Mitzvos);
1. A Ger Toshav can (not - Gra deletes this) get Galus
for killing a Ger Toshav.
(c) (Gemara) Question: The Mishnah says that a father can get
Galus for killing his son - but we said that it is always
a Mitzvah for him to hit him!
(d) Answer: (It is always a Mitzvah when he teaches him Torah
-) the case is, he was teaching him carpentry when he
killed him.
(e) Question: It is also a Mitzvah to teach one's son a
trade!
(f) Answer: The case is, the son already knew a trade.
(g) (Mishnah): A son can get Galus for killing his father.
(h) Contradiction (Beraisa): "Makeh Nefesh" - this excludes
one who strikes his father.
(i) Answer #1 (Rav Kahana): The Beraisa is like R. Shimon,
the Mishnah is like Chachamim.
1. R. Shimon says that choking is more stringent than
beheading - Galus is an atonement for killing
b'Shogeg (anyone but a parent), for this is
punishable by beheading (if done b'Mezid);
i. It does not atone for killing a parent, which
is more stringent (even wounding a parent is
punishable by choking)!
2. Chachamim say that choking is less stringent than
beheading - killing a parent is also punished by
beheading, Galus atones for it.
(j) Answer #2 (Rava): The Beraisa teaches that one who wounds
a parent does not go to Galus;
1. One might have thought, since one is killed for
doing it b'Mezid, he goes to Galus for Shogeg - the
Beraisa teaches, this is not so.
(k) (Mishnah): Anyone can get Galus for killing a Yisrael...
(l) Question: What does this come to include?
(m) Answer: It includes a slave and Nochri.
(n) A Beraisa explicitly teaches what the Mishnah alludes to.
1. (Beraisa): A slave or Nochri goes to Galus/is lashed
on account of (what he did to) a Yisrael, a Yisrael
goes to Galus/is lashed on account of a slave or
Nochri.
2. Question: We understand, a slave or Nochri goes to
Galus for killing a Yisrael, he is lashed for
cursing him, and a Yisrael goes to Galus for killing
a slave or Nochri - but how is a Yisrael lashed on
account of a slave or Nochri?
i. There is no Lav against cursing him - "V'Nasi
b'Amcha Lo Sa'or"!
3. Answer #1 (Rav Acha bar Yakov): The case is, he
testified about him and was Huzam.
4. Rejection: Surely, he is lashed for the same reason
as the slave or Nochri - but they cannot testify!
5. Answer #2 (Rav Acha brei d'Rav Ika): The case is, he
hit him, the monetary compensation for the wound
would have been less than a Perutah;
i. (R. Ami): If Reuven wounded Shimon and the
compensation would be is less than a Perutah ,
he is lashed instead;
ii. We do not equate wounding to cursing (to say
that it only applies to Amcha).
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