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Kesuvos 78

KESUVOS 75-80 - dedicated by Mrs. Rita Grunberger of Queens, N.Y., in loving memory of her husband, Reb Yitzchok Yakov ben Eliyahu Grunberger. Mr Irving Grunberger helped many people quietly in an unassuming manner and is sorely missed by all who knew him. His Yahrzeit is 10 Sivan.

1) CAN A MARRIED WOMAN SELL HER PROPERTY?

(a) (Mishnah): Property that fell to a woman before engagement - Beis Shamai and Beis Hillel agree that she may sell it or give it as a gift. If it fell after engagement, Beis Shamai says, she may sell; Beis Hillel says, she may not sell; they agree, if she sold or gave it, the sale or gift stands.
(b) R. Yehudah: Chachamim said in front of R. Gamliel: Since the husband acquires the woman, doesn't he acquire the property?!
(c) R. Gamliel: We are embarrassed about the new property (which she sold after Nesu'in, about which we said, the husband takes it from the buyers) - you are coming to suggest this by the old property?!
(d) Property that fell to her after Nesu'in - Beis Shamai and Beis Hillel admit, if she sold it, the husband takes it from the buyers.
(e) Property that fell to her before Nesu'in, and then they had Nesu'in - R. Gamliel says, if she sold or gave it, it stands.
(f) R. Chanina Ben Akavya: Chachamim said in front of R. Gamliel: Since the husband acquires the woman, doesn't he acquire the property?!
(g) R. Gamliel: We are embarrassed about the new property - you are coming to suggest this by the old property?!
(h) R. Shimon distinguishes between different types of property.
1. Property which the husband knew about - she may not sell it; if she did, the sale or gift is void;
2. Property which the husband did not know about - she may not sell it; if she did, the sale or gift stands.
(i) (Gemara) Question: Why do they agree in the 1st case, and argue in the 2nd case?
(j) Answer #1 (d'Vei R. Yanai): In the 1st case, the property falls to her; in the 2nd case, it falls to him (because of the privileges he has in her property).
(k) Objection: If it falls to him - if she sold it, why does the sale stand?
(l) Answer #2: Rather, in the 1st case, the property falls to her; in the 2nd case, we can say it falls to her, we can say it falls to him!
1. Lechatchilah, she should not sell; if she sold or gave it, it stands.
2) THOSE THAT ARGUE ON R. GAMLIEL
(a) (Mishnah - R. Yehudah): They said in front of R. Gamliel ... (doesn't he acquire the property?)
(b) Question: Does R. Yehudah challenge Beis Shamai's opinion that she may sell, or Beis Hillel's opinion that her sale stands?
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(c) Answer (Beraisa - R. Yehudah): Chachamim said in front of R. Gamliel: This is his wife (after Nesu'in), and this is his wife (engagement) - just as the sale of a Nesu'ah is void, also the sale of an engaged wife is void!
1. We see, he says that even b'Diavad, the sale is void.
(d) (Beraisa - R. Chanina Ben Akavya): R. Gamliel did not answer that way, rather as follows:
1. R. Gamliel: No - if you say that the sale of a Nesu'ah is void, since he merits her found objects, her earnings, and can annul her vows alone - will you say the same by engagement, when he lacks these privileges?
2. Chachamim: That explains if she sold before Nesu'in; what if she sold after Nesu'in?
3. R. Gamliel: Also in that case, she may sell or give, and it stands.
4. Chachamim: Since he acquires the woman, doesn't he acquire the property?
5. R. Gamliel: We are embarrassed about the new property - you are coming to suggest this by the old property?!
(e) Contradiction: But in the Mishnah, R. Gamliel said that after Nesu'in, she may not sell Lechatchilah!
(f) Answer #1 (Rav Zvid): The Mishnah should read, she may sell.
(g) Answer #2 (Rav Papa): The Mishnah is how R. Yehudah understood R. Gamliel; the Beraisa is R. Chanina Ben Akavya's understanding of R. Gamliel.
1. Question: Does R. Chanina Ben Akavya (say that R. Gamliel) holds as Beis Shamai?!
2. Answer: No - he says, even Beis Hillel said, she may sell Lechatchilah.
3) WHEN THE HUSBAND CAN RECLAIM THE PROPERTY
(a) (Rav and Shmuel): Whether the property fell before engagement or during engagement, and they had Nesu'in - the husband takes the property from the buyers.
(b) Question: Who is this like? It is not like R. Yehudah, nor as R. Chanina Ben Akavya!
(c) Answer: It is as Raboseinu.
1. (Beraisa): Raboseinu reconsidered, voted and concluded, whether the property fell before engagement or during engagement, and they had Nesu'in - the husband takes the property from the buyers.
(d) (Mishnah): After Nesu'in, they agree ...
(e) Suggestion: The enactment of Usha is taught in our Mishnah!
1. (R. Yosi Bar Chanina): In Usha it was enacted, a woman that sold her Melug property in the life of her husband, and she died, the husband takes the property from the buyers.
(f) Rejection: No - our Mishnah teaches, he may take the property from the buyers in her lifetime, to eat the fruits; the enactment of Usha applies to the land itself, after she dies.
(g) (Mishnah): R. Shimon distinguishes different types of property ...
(h) Question: What is called known property, and what is unknown?
(i) Answer #1 (R. Yosi Bar Chanina): Land is known; Metaltelim are unknown.
(j) Answer #2 (R. Yochanan): Both of these are known.
1. Unknown property is something she inherits overseas while she is here.
2. Support (Beraisa): Unknown property is something she inherits overseas while she is here.
(k) A woman about to get married wanted to deflect her property from her husband. She wrote a document giving her property to her daughter; she got married, then divorced.
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