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Kesuvos 23
KESUVOS 21-23 (Seder night, and Chol ha'Moed Pesach) - have been anonymously
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Shemesh, Israel.
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1) DISPUTE WHETHER A WOMAN IS MARRIED
(a) Question: Why is the law different in the 2 cases?
(b) Answer #1 (Abaye): Really, there is only 1 witness saying
she is engaged or divorced and 1 contradicting him.
1. In the first case, both testify that she was single;
one says that she was engaged. 1 is not believed
against 2.
2. In the 2nd case, both testify that she was married;
one says that she was divorced. 1 is not believed
against 2.
(c) Answer #2 (Rav Ashi): Really, there are 2 witnesses on
each side, but we must switch the laws of the 2 cases.
(d) (Corrected version of Beraisa, first half): 2 witnesses
say, we saw a woman became engaged, 2 say, we did not see
it; she may not get married; if she got married, she may
not remain married;
1. Objection: This is obvious - not seeing something is
no proof that it didn't happen!
2. Answer: The case is, they live in the same
courtyard.
i. One might have thought, engagement is
publicized, they certainly would have known
(and we consider the testimonies to be
contradictory).
ii. Rather, we learn that some people have quiet
engagements.
(e) (Corrected Beraisa, 2nd half): 2 say, we saw that she was
divorced, 2 say, we did not see this; she may not get
married; if she got married, she may remain married.
1. Question: What do we learn from this - even if they
live in the same courtyard - we learned this from
the first case!
2. Answer: One might have thought, engagement is done
quietly, but divorce is publicized, they certainly
would have known.
i. Rather, we learn that divorces are also done
quietly.
2) THE MOUTH THAT PROHIBITS, PERMITS
(a) (Mishnah 22A): If witnesses come after she was married,
she may remain married.
(b) Rav Oshiya learned that this applies to the first half of
the Mishnah (a woman who said she was married and
divorced); Rabah Bar Avin learned that it applies to the
2nd half (a woman who says she was captured but not
defiled).
1. The one who says it applies to the first half, all
the more so it applies to the 2nd half - we are
lenient by a captured woman.
2. The one who says it applies to the 2nd half says it
would not apply to the first half.
(c) Suggestion: They argue on Rav Hamnuna's law (22B, a woman
who tells her husband, you divorced me, is believed).
1. The one who says she may remain married even when
she says she was married and divorced, holds as Rav
Hamnuna; the one who argues, argues on Rav Hamnuna's
law.
(d) Rejection: All can hold of Rav Hamnuna's law; the first
opinion says that the law applies even when she is not in
front of her husband; the other holds, it only applies in
front of her husband.
(e) (Mishnah 22A): If witnesses come after she was married
... .
(f) (Shmuel's father): The intention is not that she
literally was married; rather, after Beis Din permitted
her to get married, even if she didn't get married yet.
(g) Question: But the Mishnah says, she does not leave (her
husband)!
(h) Answer: It means, she does not leave her permission to
get married.
(i) (Beraisa): A woman says, I was captured but not defiled,
and witnesses know this. We do not wait for them to come;
we permit to marry immediately;
(j) If she was permitted to marry, and later the witnesses
came, and they did not know if she was defiled, she does
not leave;
(k) If they say that she was defiled, even if she has several
children from her husband (who is a Kohen), she must
leave him.
(l) Captive women arrived in Nehardai. Shmuel's father put
guards by them so they should not be defiled.
(m) Shmuel: Who guarded them until now (guarding now will not
permit them to a Kohen)!
(n) Shmuel's father: If they were your daughters, would you
treat them so lightly?
1. This response inadvertently prompted such a case to
happen.
2. Shmuel's daughters were captured and taken to Eretz
Yisrael. They asked the captors to remain outside
while they entered the Beis Medrash of R. Chanina.
Each said, I was captured but I was not defiled.
3. R. Chanina ruled, they may marry a Kohen. The
captors walked in.
4. R. Chanina: These must be the daughter of a
brilliant scholar (to know how to permit themselves
in this way)!
i. It became known that they were Shmuel's
daughters.
5. R Chanina (to R. Shemen Bar Aba, a Kohen): Go marry
one of your relatives (Shmuel's daughters).
6. R. Shemen: But there are witnesses overseas (that
know they were captured)!
7. R. Chanina: They are not here now - will we prohibit
a woman because we heard there are witnesses in the
north?!
(o) Question: If the witnesses were here, they would be
prohibited - this argues on Shmuel's father, who said
that if witnesses come after Beis Din permitted them to
marry, the permission stands!
(p) Answer (Rav Ashi): R. Shemen heard that there were
witnesses that they had been *defiled*.
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3) CAPTIVE WOMEN THAT TESTIFY ON EACH OTHER
(a) (Mishnah): 2 women were captured. Each says, I was
captured but I was not defiled; they are not believed;
(b) If each testifies that the other was not defiled, they
are believed.
(c) (Gemara - Beraisa): I was defiled, my friend (who was
also captured) was not defiled - she is believed;
(d) I was not defiled, my friend was defiled - she is not
believed;
(e) Both of us were defiled - she is believed on herself, but
not on her friend;
(f) Both of us were not defiled - she is believed on her
friend, but not on herself.
(g) Start of question: The 2nd case - I was not defiled, my
friend was - she is not believed - what is the case?
1. Suggestion: If there are no witnesses that they were
captured - why is she not believed about herself?
i. The Mishnah (22A) says that a woman is believed
to say she was captured but not defiled!
2. Conclusion: Clearly, we must say there are
witnesses.
3. The middle (3rd) case - both of us were defiled -
she is believed on herself, but not on her friend.
i. Question: If there are witnesses, why is she
not believed about her friend?
ii. Answer: It must be, in this case, there are no
witnesses.
4. The last case - both of us were not defiled - she is
believed on her friend, but not on herself.
i. Question: If there are no witnesses, why is she
not believed about herself?
ii. Answer: It must be, in this case, there are no
witnesses.
(h) Culmination of question: Do the beginning and end of the
Beraisa deal with a case in which there are no witnesses,
and the middle case is a case where there are witnesses?!
(i) Answer #1 (Abaye): Yes!
(j) Answer #2 (Rav Papa): No. In the entire Beraisa there are
witnesses that they are captured; there is also one
witness who contradicts her claims of who was defiled.
(k) (first case of the Beraisa): I was defiled, my friend was
not; 1 witness says, you were not defiled, your friend
was. She is believed.
1. She declared herself to be prohibited (and is
therefore believed about herself); her testimony
causes her friend to be permitted.
(l) (2nd case): I was not defiled, my friend was defiled; 1
witness says, you were defiled, your friend was not. She
is not believed.
1. Since witnesses know that she was captured, she
cannot permit herself; her friend is permitted
through the witness.
(m) (3rd case): Both of us were defiled - 1 witness says,
both of you were not. She is believed on herself, but not
on her friend.
1. She declared herself to be prohibited; the witness
permits her friend.
2. Question: Why was this taught - the beginning of the
Beraisa teaches this!
3. Answer: One might have thought, really both are
pure; claiming that both are impure was her best
attempt to prohibit her friend, even though she knew
that it would harm her, too.
(n) Both of us were not defiled - 1 witness says, both of you
were. She is believed on her friend, but not on herself.
1. Since witnesses know that she was captured, she
cannot permit herself; she permits her friend.
2. Question: Why was this case taught? (The first
reason is known, and the 2nd reason) we already know
from the first case!
3. Answer: One might have thought, she is only believed
to permit her friend when she admits that she was
defiled; we learn, even when she also tries to
permit herself, she is not believed.
4) MEN THAT CLAIM TO BE KOHANIM
(a) (Mishnah): Similarly, if each of 2 men says 'I am a
Kohen', they are not believed; if they also testify on
each other, they are believed;
(b) R. Yehudah: We do not raise one to the status of a Kohen
based on 1 witness.
(c) R. Elazar: This applies when there are protests; when
there are no protests, 1 witness suffices.
(d) R. Shimon Ben Gamliel: 1 witness suffices.
(e) (Gemara - Question): Why do we need to learn all the
Mishnayos of our chapter?
(f) Answer: All are needed.
1. If we only learned the Mishnah (15B) where R.
Yehoshua admits (that a man is believed to say, this
field was your father's, I bought it from him - I
would think, only there we say the mouth which
prohibits, permits, because he stands to lose money.
i. This would not apply to the case of witnesses
(18B, who say that these are their signatures,
but they were invalid witnesses at the time)
since *they* do not stand to lose money.
2. If we taught only the case of the witnesses, I would
say that they are believed because *they* will not
gain from lying, but one would not be believed when
he helps himself.
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