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Gitin 84
GITIN 83-85 - Dedicated by an admirer of the work of the Dafyomi Advancement
Forum, l'Iluy Nishmas Mrs. Gisela Turkel, Golda bas Reb Chaim Yitzchak Ozer,
A"H.
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1) CONCERN THAT SHE WILL NOT FULFILL THE STIPULATION
(a) (Beraisa): Reuven said 'This is your Get on condition
that you will marry Peloni' - she may not remarry; if she
did, she may stay married.
(b) Question: How do we understand this?
(c) Answer (Rav Nachman): She should not marry Peloni, lest
people say that Reuven gave his wife to Peloni as a gift;
if she married someone else, she remains married.
(d) Question: Do we make a decree (to discourage such Gitin)
to permit a married woman to live with another man?!]
(e) Correction (Rav Nachman): Rather, she should not marry
Peloni, lest people say that Reuven gave his wife to
Peloni as a gift; if she married Peloni, she remains
married - we do not force her to leave because of our
decree.
(f) Question (Rava): Is she only forbidden to marry Peloni?
She may not marry anyone, she must fulfill the
stipulation!
1. Suggestion: You hold that it is possible for her to
marry someone else now, get divorced later and then
fulfill the stipulation, similar to your argument
with Rav Yehudah.
i. (Rav Yehudah): A man vowed that he will not
sleep today if he sleeps tomorrow - he may not
sleep today, lest he sleep tomorrow;
ii. (Rav Nachman): He may sleep today - we are not
concerned that he will sleep tomorrow.
2. (Culmination of question): This comparison is
faulty! There, a person can stop himself from
sleeping, he can prick himself with thorns - here, a
woman cannot divorce herself!
(g) Answer #2 (Rava): Rather, she should not marry Peloni nor
anyone else.
1. She should not marry Peloni, lest people say that
Reuven gave his wife to Peloni as a gift;
2. She should not marry anyone else, lest she will not
fulfill the stipulation.
i. If she did marry Peloni, she remains married -
we do not force her to leave because of our
decree;
ii. If she did marry someone else, she must leave -
we are concerned that she will not fulfill the
stipulation
(h) Support (Beraisa): She should not marry Peloni nor anyone
else;
1. If she did marry Peloni, she remains married; if she
married someone else, she must leave.
2) STIPULATIONS THAT CANNOT BE FULFILLED
(a) (Beraisa): A man divorced his wife on condition that she
ascends to Heaven, or descends to the depths, or swallows
a reed of 4 Amos, or brings him a reed of 100 Amos, or
crosses the sea on foot - the Get is invalid;
1. R. Yehudah ben Teima says, such a Get is valid;
i. The rule is: any stipulation that cannot be
fulfilled - he merely taunts her with words,
the stipulation is void, the Get is valid.
(b) (Rav Nachman): The law is as R. Yehudah ben Teima.
(c) (Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak): A Mishnah is as R. Yehudah
ben Teima.
1. (Mishnah): If one makes a stipulation that can be
fulfilled, the stipulation is valid.
i. Inference: If the stipulation cannot be
fulfilled, it is invalid.
(d) Question: 'This is your Get on condition that you eat
pork' - what is the law?
(e) Answer #1 (Abaye): This is a stipulation that cannot be
fulfilled (it is void).
(f) Answer #2 (Rava): The stipulation can be fulfilled,
albeit is forbidden.
i. Abaye explains R. Yehudah ben Teima's rule (any
stipulation that cannot be fulfilled, the
stipulation is void) includes a stipulation to
eat pork.
2. Rava explains, 'such a Get is valid' excludes the
case of eating pork (which is only valid if she
fulfills the stipulation).
(g) Question ((against Rava) - Beraisa): 'This is your Get on
condition that you have relations with Peloni' - the Get
is only valid if the stipulation is fulfilled;
(h) 'On condition that you do not have relations with my
father or your father' - we are not concerned that she
did (the Get is valid).
1. The Beraisa omits the case of 'on condition that you
have relations with my father or your father'!
(i) Answer (Rava): I said that a stipulation to eat pork is
valid, because she can do this (albeit she will be lashed
for it); also, a stipulation to have relations with
Peloni is valid, for she can bribe him;
1. But even if she is willing to sin, she cannot get
her father or father-in-law to sin!
(j) Rava explains R. Yehudah ben Teima's rule (any
stipulation that cannot be fulfilled) to include a
stipulation to have relations with her father or
father-in-law.
1. 'Such a Get is valid' excludes the case of eating
pork.
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(k) Abaye explains that the rule includes a stipulation to
eat pork;
1. 'Such a Get is valid' excludes the case of having
relations with Peloni.
(l) Question ((against Abaye) - Beraisa): 'This is your Get
on condition that you eat pork', or another forbidden
food (Terumah to a non-Kohenes, wine to a Nezirah) - the
Get is only valid if the stipulation is fulfilled.
(m) Answer (Abaye): The Beraisa is as Chachamim that argue on
R. Yehudah ben Teima.
(n) Question: The stipulation should be invalid because it is
contrary to the Torah!
(o) Answer #1 (Rav Ada brei d'Rav Ika): That rule only
applies in a case such as engagement on condition that
the husband has no obligation to supply his wife's needs
for food, clothing and relations, for he uproots (his
mid'Oraisa obligation to supply these);
1. Here, she must transgress to fulfill the
stipulation!
(p) Objection (Ravina): But she only transgresses to fulfill
his stipulation - he caused the Mitzvah to be uprooted!
(q) Answer #2 (Ravina): The rule that a stipulation contrary
to the Torah is invalid only applies in a case such as
engagement without obligation to supply food, clothing
and relations, for he definitely uproots the Mitzvah;
1. Here, the Mitzvah need not be uprooted - she need
not eat, the Get will not take effect!
3) THE STIPULATION NOT TO MARRY PELONI
(a) (Mishnah): He takes the Get back...
(b) Question: As whom is our Tana?
(c) Answer #1 (Chizkiyah): As R. Shimon ben Elazar.
1. (Beraisa - R. Shimon ben Elazar): A Get (which she
took believing it was a loan document) is only valid
if he takes it back and gives it again, saying 'this
is your Get'.
(d) Answer #2 (R. Yochanan): Our Mishnah is even as Rebbi
(who says that he need not take it back and give it
again);
1. The reason is as Rav Kahana taught - here, the Get
(partially) took effect to disqualify her to
Kohanim, she already acquired it.
(e) (Mishnah): If he wrote (this stipulation) inside the
Get...
(f) Opinion #1 (Rav Safra): The Mishnah speaks when he wrote
the stipulation in the Get.
(g) Question: This is explicit!
(h) Answer: One might have thought, the Mishnah only applies
when the stipulation was written after the Toref (the
crux of the Get) - but if the stipulation preceded the
Toref, even if the stipulation was not written in the
Get, the Get is invalid;
1. We hear, this is not so (even a stipulation before
the Toref does not invalid the Get if it is not
written in the Get).
(i) Opinion #2 (Rava): The Mishnah speaks specifically when
he wrote the stipulation after the Toref, but if the
stipulation precedes the Toref, even if it was not
written in the Get, the Get is invalid.
1. For this reason, Rava would silence the husband
until the Toref was written.
(j) (Beraisa - Rebbi): All stipulations disqualify a Get;
(k) Chachamim say, the same stipulations disqualify a Get,
whether written or oral.
1. 'Except for marrying Peloni' - this disqualifies
orally, it also disqualifies if written;
2. 'On condition that you don't marry Peloni' - this
does not disqualify orally, it does not disqualify
if written.
(l) Opinion #1 (R. Zeira): Rebbi and Chachamim argue when the
stipulation preceded the Toref - Rebbi says, we decree to
disqualify 'on condition that' on account of 'except';
Chachamim do not decree.
1. All agree, stipulations after the Toref do not
disqualify the Get.
2. The Mishnah says that only written stipulations
disqualify it; we established the Mishnah as the
case when he said 'except'.
i. The Mishnah can speak of before the Toref, it
is as Chachamim;
ii. Or, it can speak of after the Toref, and all
agree to it.
(m) Opinion #2 (Rava): Rebbi and Chachamim argue when the
stipulation is after the Toref - Rebbi says, we decree to
disqualify it on account of a stipulation before the
Toref; Chachamim do not decree.
1. All agree, stipulations before the Toref disqualify
a Get.
2. The Mishnah says that only written stipulations
disqualify it, and specifically when he said
'except', not if he said 'on condition that'.
i. The Mishnah speaks of after the Toref, it is as
Chachamim.
(n) (R. Avin's father citing a Beraisa): All agree, if a Get
was written on condition, it is invalid.
(o) Objection: They argue in this case!
(p) Correction (R. Zeira): The proper text of the Beraisa
must say that all agree it is valid, when the condition
was after the Toref.
(q) Question: Why didn't R. Zeira leave the Beraisa to say
that it is invalid, and the Beraisa is as Rebbi?
(r) Answer: It is reasonable that R. Avin's father mixed up
'valid' and 'invalid' - but he would not confuse 'all
agree' with 'it is as Rebbi'.
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