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Gitin 74
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1) A GET ON CONDITION
(a) (Mishnah): 'This is your Get on condition that you give
me 200 Zuz' - she is divorced, and she gives;
1. 'On condition that you give me within 30 days' - she
is only divorced if she gave within 30 days.
2. R. Shimon ben Gamliel: There was a case in Tzidon -
a man gave a Get on condition that she return his
garment. She lost the garment - Chachamim ruled, it
suffices that she return its value.
(b) (Gemara) Question: What does the Mishnah mean when it
says 'and she gives'?
(c) Answer #1 (Rav Huna): (She is divorced immediately),
provided that she eventually gives;
(d) Answer #2 (Rav Yehudah): She is divorced when she gives.
(e) Question: What difference does it make when the divorce
takes effect?
(f) Answer: If the Get was torn or lost in between.
1. According to Rav Huna, the Get works; according to
Rav Yehudah, she needs another Get.
(g) Rav Huna and Rav Yehudah argued similarly regarding
engagement.
1. (Mishnah): Reuven: 'Your are engaged to me on
condition that I give you 200 Zuz' - she is engaged,
and he gives;
2. Question: What does the Mishnah mean when it says
'and he gives'?
3. Answer #1 (Rav Huna): (She is engaged immediately),
provided that he eventually gives;
4. Answer #2 (Rav Yehudah): She is engaged when he
gives.
5. Question: What difference does it make when the
engagement takes effect?
6. Answer: If another man engaged her in between.
i. According to Rav Huna, she is engaged to Reuven
- he must merely fulfill his condition;
ii. According to Rav Yehudah, she is not engaged to
Reuven until he gives.
(h) It was necessary for Rav Huna and Rav Yehudah to argue
both by divorce and engagement.
1. If they would only argue by engagement - one might
have thought, only there Rav Huna says that he is
engaged immediately, for he is coming close to her;
i. But by divorce, he is separating from her, Rav
Huna would admit, she is not divorced until she
gives the money.
2. If they would only argue by divorce - one might have
thought, only there Rav Huna says that she is
divorced immediately, for he is not ashamed to ask
her for the money;
i. But by engagement, she is ashamed to ask him
for the money, Rav Huna would admit, she is not
engaged until he gives the money.
3. Also: if they would only argue by divorce - one
might have thought, only there Rav Yehudah says that
she is not divorced until she gives the money, for
he is separating from her;
i. But by engagement, he is coming close to her,
Rav Yehudah would admit, she is engaged
immediately.
4. If they would only argue by engagement - one might
have thought, only there Rav Yehudah says that she
is not engaged until he pays, for she is ashamed to
ask him for the money;
i. But by divorce, he is not ashamed to ask her
for the money, Rav Yehudah would admit, she is
not divorced until she gives the money.
ii. Therefore, they had to argue in both cases.
(i) Question #1 (against Rav Yehudah - Beraisa): ''This is
your Get on condition that you give me 200 Zuz' - even if
the Get was torn or lost, she is divorced;
1. She may not remarry until she pays.
(j) Question #2 (against Rav Yehudah - Beraisa): Reuven:
''This is your Get on condition that you give me 200
Zuz', and he died (without children) - if she gave him,
she is (divorced and) exempt from Yibum and Chalitzah; if
not, she must do Yibum or Chalitzah;
1. R. Shimon ben Gamliel says, she may give his father,
brother or another relative (to exempt herself from
Yibum and Chalitzah).
2. They only argue whether '(you give) me' also
connotes 'or (you give) my heirs' or not - but all
agree that she is divorced immediately, on condition
that she give the money.
i. This refutes Rav Yehudah.
(k) Answer (Rav Yehudah): That is as Rebbi; I hold as
Chachamim, who argue.
1. (Rav Huna citing Rebbi): Saying 'on condition' is as
saying 'from now'.
(l) (R. Zeira): In Bavel, we used to say that Chachamim argue
on Rebbi by 'on condition'; in Eretz Yisrael, R. Asi
cited R. Yochanan to say that they only argue by 'from
today and after death'.
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1. (Beraisa): 'From today and after death' - she is
divorced and not divorced;
2. Rebbi says, this is a Get.
(m) Question: According to Rav Yehudah, they argue even by
'on condition' - the Beraisa should rather teach that
case!
(n) Answer: They argue by 'from today and after death', to
show that Rebbi says it works even in that case.
(o) Question: Rather, they should argue by 'on condition', to
show that Chachamim say it does not work (immediately)
even there!
(p) Answer: It is better to teach how lenient Rebbi is.
2) MUST A CONDITION BE FULFILLED EXACTLY AS STATED?
(a) (Mishnah): 'On condition that you give me within 30 days'
- she is only divorced if she gave within 30 days.
(b) Question: This is obvious!
(c) Answer: One might have thought, he really is not
insistent that she pay within 30 days, he just said it in
order to get her to pay quickly - we hear, this is not
so.
(d) (Mishnah): R. Shimon ben Gamliel: There was a case in
Tzidon...
(e) Question: The case does not illustrate a law of the
Mishnah!
(f) Answer: The Mishnah is abbreviated; it should read
thusly: If he said to her, 'on condition that you return
my garment', and she lost the garment - since he
specifically wanted the garment, she cannot fulfill the
condition;
1. R. Shimon ben Gamliel says, it suffices that she
return its value;
2. R. Shimon ben Gamliel: There was a case in Tzidon -
a man gave a Get on condition that she return his
garment. She lost the garment - Chachamim ruled, it
suffices that she return its value.
(g) Question (R. Asi): 'This is your Get on condition that
you give me 200 Zuz', and then he pardoned her from
having to pay - what is the law?
1. This question may be asked according to Chachamim
and according to R. Shimon ben Gamliel.
2. Chachamim only said that she cannot fulfill the
condition with money because he did not pardon her -
but here, he pardoned her!
3. R. Shimon ben Gamliel only said that she can give
its value, for she appeases him with the money - but
here, she did nothing!
(h) Answer (R. Yochanan): She is not divorced.
(i) Question (Mishnah - R. Meir): Reuven told Shimon: 'My
property is forbidden as a sacrifice for you to benefit
from, unless you give my son a Kor of wheat and 2 barrels
of wine' - he is forbidden until he gives;
1. Chachamim say, Reuven can permit this vow himself,
by saying 'I consider it as if I received'.
(j) Answer: Here is different, he stipulated in order to pain
his wife, the Get cannot work until she pays; there,
Reuven stipulated for his own benefit - he may decide, he
does not need it.
(k) A man told his sharecropper: other sharecroppers irrigate
the grain 3 times a year and receive a quarter of the
yield - if you irrigate 4 times, I will give you one
third.
1. Rain came, and there was no need for the extra
irrigation.
2. Rav Yosef: He did no extra work, he only receives
the usual quarter.
3. Rabah: It was not needed (he did not detract from
his contract) - he gets the full third.
i. Suggestion: Rav Yosef holds as Chachamim, and
Rabah holds as R. Shimon ben Gamliel (just as
money works in place of the garment, rain is in
place of irrigation).
ii. Rejection: This cannot be - the law is as
Rabah, and the law in our Mishnah is not as R.
Shimon ben Gamliel!
4. Rather: True, Rav Yosef holds as Chachamim - but
Rabah (who could hold as R. Shimon ben Gamliel) can
also hold as Chachamim.
i. Chachamim only said that money may not replace
the garment, by divorce, where he intended to
pain her - here, Reuven intends for his own
profit, and he does not need the extra
irrigation!
3) GIVING AGAINST THE WILL OF THE RECEIVER
(a) (Mishnah): At first, one who bought a house in a walled
city would hide on the day which completed 1 year after
buying it (so the seller would be unable to redeem it,
and the buyer would be able to keep it forever).
1. Hillel enacted that the seller may deposit the
redemption money in a chamber and forcibly enter the
house; the buyer can take his money when he wants.
(b) [Version #1 (Rava): From Hillel's enactment, we learn: if
a man says 'This is your Get on condition that you give
me 200 Zuz' - the Get is only valid if he willingly takes
the money.
1. Since Hillel had to enact that the seller may give
the money against the buyer's will - it must be,
without the enactment, giving against his will does
not work.
(c) Objection (Rav Papa): Perhaps Hillel had to enact for
when the buyer is not around - but when he is around,
whether or not he consents to accept the money, the
redemption works!]
(d) [Version #2 (Rava): From Hillel's enactment, we learn: if
a man says 'This is your Get on condition that you give
me 200 Zuz' - the Get is valid whether or not he takes
the money willingly.
1. Hillel only had to enact for when the buyer is not
around - but when he is around, whether or not he
consents to accept the money, the redemption works!
(e) Objection (Rav Papa): Perhaps the Get is only valid when
he consents to accept the money;
1. It was sufficient for Hillel to enact that the money
be put in the chamber not in front of the buyer.]
(f) (Rabah bar bar Chanah): Whenever R. Shimon ben Gamliel
appears in a Mishnah, the law is as him, except for 3
places: the Mishnah of the cosigner, the Get in Tzidon
(our Mishnah), and a party in a case that finds a proof
after the allotted time.
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