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Chulin 127
1) "ACHBARIM"
(a) (Beraisa) Question: The Torah is Metamei "Achbar" (mouse)
- perhaps this includes a sea mouse (a kind of fish),
which is also called Achbar!
(b) Answer #1: Logic refutes this!
1. A Chuldah (weasel) is Tamei, just like an Achbar;
just like a Chuldah is only on dry land, also an
Achbar!
(c) Objection: We can learn the opposite way!
1. A Chuldah is Tamei, just like an Achbar; just like
everything called Chuldah is Tamei, also every
Achbar, even a sea mouse!
(d) Answer #2: "Al ha'Aretz" (only a land mouse is Tamei).
(e) Suggestion: Perhaps this teaches that a mouse is Tamei
only on the ground, not at sea!
(f) Rejection: "ha'Shoretz" - everywhere it creeps, it is
Tamei (even at sea, for it swims).
(g) Question: Perhaps we should expound this to say
"ha'Mashritz (which breeds)," to exclude the Achbar that
comes from dirt!
(h) Answer #1: Logic refutes this!
1. A Chuldah is Tamei, just like an Achbar; just like
everything called Chuldah is Tamei, also every
Achbar, even one that comes from dirt.
(i) Objection: We can learn to the contrary!
1. Just like a Chuldah procreates, also an Achbar,
excluding one that comes from dirt.
(j) Answer #2: "ba'Sheretz" [is extra, to include it].
(k) Question: Perhaps "ba'Sheretz" indeed includes the Achbar
that comes from dirt, and "ha'Shoretz" teaches that a sea
mouse is Tamei at sea! ("Al ha'Aretz" would teach that
all Achbarim are Tamei only on land.)
(l) Answer (Rava): Either way, something at or from the sea
is Tamei - therefore, it is unreasonable to be Metamei an
Achbar on land and be Metaher it at sea.
(m) Question: We need "Al ha'Aretz" for a different teaching!
1. (R. Yitzchak bar Avodimi): "Al ha'Aretz" - this is
Metaher doubtful cases of floating Tum'ah (of
Sheratzim).
(n) Answer: Two verses say "Al ha'Aretz".
2) SPECIES RELATED TO "TZAV"
(a) (Beraisa): "veha'Tzav (frog or turtle) l'Minehu" - this
includes Arod and Nefilim (types of lizards) and
Salamandra;
1. R. Akiva: "How great are Your deeds, Hash-m" - You
have great creatures at sea and at land; if either
type would go to the other habitat, they would die
immediately.
2. Hash-m made creatures that live in fire
(Salamandra), others in air; if either type would go
to the other habitat, they would die immediately.
(b) (Beraisa): Every species on land has a corresponding
species at sea, except for Chuldah.
(c) (R. Zeira): We learn from "Harken, all dwellers of Cheled
(the dry land)" (this hints that Chuldos only live on
land).
(d) Version #1 (Rashi) - (Rav Huna brei d'Rav Yehoshua):
Beavers of Narash do not dwell on land, rather in water.
(e) Version #2 (Tosfos) - (Rav Huna brei d'Rav Yehoshua):
Residents of Narash are uncivilized.
(f) (Rav Papa): Everyone in Narash should be excommunicated.
(g) (Rav Papa): "Land, land, land, hear the word of Hash-m" -
the people in Narash did not want to listen.
1. (Rav): If someone of Narash kisses you, he probably
wants to steal your teeth;
2. If someone of Nahar Pekod escorts you, he probably
wants to steal your garment.
3. If someone of Pumbadisa escorts you, he probably
wants to steal from you at night; you should change
your lodging.
(h) (Rav Huna bar Tursa): I once went to a place where the
people raise Kil'ayim. I saw a snake mate with a Tzav; an
Arod was born (and killed people).
1. R. Shimon ha'Chasid: Since they brought new
creations into the world, Hash-m did the same to
them.
(i) Question: But two species can have children together or
nurse each other if and only if they have relations in
the same position, and have the same gestation period!
(Snakes are born after seven years, Tzav after six
months.)
(j) Answer (Rav): It was a double miracle (that a child was
born).
(k) Question: This was a punishment!
(l) Answer: It was a double miracle to bring punishment.
3) DANGLING LIMBS AND FLESH
(a) (Mishnah - R. Meir): Dangling limbs or flesh of an animal
receive Tum'as Ochlim (while dangling), they require
Hechsher;
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1. If the animal is slaughtered, the blood is Machshir
them;
2. R. Shimon says, it does not.
(b) R. Meir says, if the animal dies, the meat requires
Hechsher; the limb is [Tamei like] Ever Min ha'Chai, not
like a limb of a Neveilah;
(c) R. Shimon is Metaher.
(d) (Gemara) Inference: The dangling limb or meat has Tum'as
Ochlim, but not Tum'as Neveilah.
(e) Question: What is the case?
1. If the limb or meat can heal (resume to be a live
part of the animal), it should not have Tum'as
Ochlim;
2. If it cannot heal, it should have also Tum'as
Neveilah!
(f) Answer: Really, it cannot heal - regarding Neveilah it
says "When will fall [from their carcasses]" - it is not
Tamei until it fully falls off.
(g) Support (Beraisa) Suggestion: Perhaps a limb or flesh of
an animal that is dangling by a hair has Tum'as Neveilah!
1. Rejection: "When will fall" - it is not Tamei until
it fully falls off;
2. Nevertheless, it receives Tum'as Ochlim.
(h) This supports R. Chiya bar Ashi.
1. (R. Chiya bar Ashi): If figs dried up on the tree,
they receive Tum'as Ochlim; one who picks them on
Shabbos is liable. (This shows that even something
considered attached can receive Tum'as Ochlim.)
(i) Suggestion: The following also supports R. Chiya bar
Ashi.
1. (Beraisa): If vegetables such as cabbage or gourd
dried up while attached, they do not receive Tum'as
Ochlim;
2. If they were detached and dried up, they receive
Tum'as Ochlim.
3. Objection: That cannot be - if they dried up, they
are like wood, they do not receive Tum'ah!
4. Answer (R. Yitzchak): The Beraisa means, if they
were detached with intention to dry them, they
receive Tum'as Ochlim.
5. Inference: Only vegetables such as cabbage or gourd,
which dry up to the point of being inedible, do not
receive Tum'as Ochlim (while attached) - other
vegetation receives Tum'ah while attached.
6. Question: What is the case?
i. If the stems dried, it need not say that they
are Tahor!
7. Answer: Rather, the stems are not dry; still, other
vegetation receives Tum'ah while attached
(supporting R. Chiya bar Ashi).
8. Rejection: Really, the stems are dry;
i. The Chidush of the Beraisa is the second
clause, if they were detached with intention to
dry them, they receive Tum'as Ochlim.
(j) Question (Beraisa): If a branch of a tree was cut off;
fruits on the branch are considered detached;
1. If [attached] fruits dried up, they are considered
attached.
2. Suggestion: Just like in the first clause, they are
considered detached in all respects, also in the
second clause, they are considered attached in all
respects (unlike R. Chiya bar Ashi)!
(k) Answer: No, the clauses are dissimilar; in the second
clause, they receive Tum'as Ochlim as if they were
detached.
4) IS THE DANGLING LIMB "HUCHSHAR"?
(a) (Mishnah): If the animal was slaughtered (R. Meir says
that Dam Shechitah is Machshir the limb or meat; R.
Shimon says, it is not).
(b) Question: What do they argue about?
(c) Answer #1 (Rabah): R. Meir holds that an animal can be
considered a Yad for a single limb; R. Shimon holds that
it cannot.
(d) Answer #2 (Abaye): R. Meir consides semi-attached foods
to be like one, even if when one holds the smaller food
the larger one will break off; R. Shimon holds, they are
not like one.
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