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Chulin 41
CHULIN 41-43 - sponsored by Dr. Lindsay A. Rosenwald of Lawrence NY, in
honor of his father, David ben Aharon ha'Levy Rosenwald of blessed memory.
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1) FORBIDDING ANOTHER'S PROPERTY
(a) (Mishnah): If two people slaughter together, one intends
to serve (a mountain, etc.), the other intends for proper
slaughter - the slaughter is invalid. (The Mishnah does
not distinguish whose animal it is - this shows that one
can forbid another's property!)
(b) Rejection: No - the case is, they are partners in the
animal.
(c) (Mishnah): Reuven was Metamei Shimon's Terumah or
Kodshim, or mixed Shimon's Chulin with Terumah, or was
Menasech Shimon's wine (poured it to be a libation to
idolatry) - if he was Mezid, Reuven must pay; if not, he
is exempt. (This shows that his Nisuch forbids Shimon's
wine!)
(d) Rejection: The case is, Reuven is a partner in the wine.
(Directly, he only forbids his own share; however,
Shimon's share cannot be drunk, since it is mixed with
Reuven's.)
(e) Suggestion: Rav Huna argues with Rav Nachman just like
the following Tana'im argue.
1. (Beraisa): If a Nochri was Menasech a Yisrael's wine
not in front of an idol, the wine is forbidden;
2. R. Yehudah ben Beseira and R. Yehudah ben Bava
permit it for two reasons - Nisuch is only in front
of an idol, and a person cannot forbid what is not
his.
(f) Rejection: Rav Nachman can hold like the first Tana -
only a Nochri forbids someone else's property;
1. If a Yisrael was Menasech, we assume that he did not
really intend for idolatry, rather to vex the owner
of the wine.
(g) Question (Mishnah): If two people slaughter together, one
intends to serve (a mountain, etc.), and the other
intends for proper slaughter, the slaughter is invalid.
(h) Answer: The case is, the one with the bad intent is a
Mumar (who has the law of a Nochri, he really would serve
idolatry).
(i) Question (Mishnah): If Reuven was Metamei Shimon's
Terumah or Kodshim, or mixed Shimon's Chulin with
Terumah, or was Menasech Shimon's wine:
1. If he was Mezid, Reuven must pay; if not, he is
exempt.
(j) Answer: The case is, Reuven is a Mumar.
(k) Question (Rav Acha brei d'Rava): If Levi was warned just
before he was Menasech Shimon's wine, and he replied 'I
do so, accepting that I will be executed for this', what
is the law?
(l) Answer (Rav Ashi): The wine is forbidden - this is the
ultimate case of a Mumar!
2) SLAUGHTER WHICH APPEARS TO BE FOR IDOLATRY
(a) (Mishnah): We do not slaughter above seas, rivers, or
vessels;
1. One may slaughter into a pit of water, and on a ship
one may slaughter onto a vessel (in a way that the
blood will run off into the sea).
(b) We never slaughter above an (empty) pit; one may make a
pit in his house in order that the blood will flow into
it (this will be explained below);
1. This may not be done in Reshus ha'Rabim, lest it
encourage Tzedukim (this is how they slaughter to
idolatry).
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(c) (Gemara): We do not slaughter above...
(d) Question: Just like we may not slaughter above seas, lest
people think he is serving the angel appointed over the
sea, it should be forbidden to slaughter above a pit with
water, lest people think he is serving his reflection!
(e) Answer (Rava): He may slaughter only above a pit of
cloudy water (in which there is no reflection).
(f) (Mishnah): We never slaughter above an (empty) pit...
(g) Question: But the Mishnah continues, 'one may make a pit
in his house...'!
(h) Answer #1 (Abaye): 'We never slaughter above an empty
pit' - in Reshus ha'Rabim.
(i) Objection (Rava): Since the end of the Mishnah says,
'This may not be done in Reshus ha'Rabim, the beginning
of the Mishnah does not discuss this!
(j) Answer #2 (Rava): Rather, the Mishnah means: We never
slaughter above an (empty) pit; if one wants to keep his
courtyard clean, he makes a furrow near the pit, and
slaughters above the furrow, and the blood flows into the
pit;
1. This may not be done in the Reshus ha'Rabim, lest it
encourage the Tzedukim.
2. Support (Beraisa): If one is travelling on a ship,
and does not have a place on the ship to slaughter,
he sticks his hand outside the ship and slaughters;
the blood runs down the sides of the ship;
3. We never slaughter above an (empty) pit; if one
wants to keep his courtyard clean, he makes a furrow
near the pit, and slaughters above the furrow, and
the blood flows into the pit;
4. This may not be done in Reshus ha'Rabim - "Do not go
in the ways (of idolaters)".
i. If one did so, we investigate to see if he is
an idolater.
3) ONE WHO CLAIMS TO SLAUGHTER A "KORBAN" OUTSIDE THE "MIKDASH"
(a) (Mishnah): If one slaughters a Chulin animal (outside the
Mikdash), and says that it is an Olah, Shelamim, an Asham
Taluy (guilt-offering brought for a doubtful sin), a
Korban Pesach, or a Todah, the slaughter is invalid;
(b) R. Shimon says, it is valid.
1. If two people hold a knife and slaughter, one
intends for one of the above, and the other for a
proper slaughter, the slaughter is invalid.
(c) If one slaughters a Chulin animal, and says that it is a
Chatas, an Asham Vadai (guilt-offering for a definite
sin), a Bechor (firstborn), Ma'aser, or a Temurah (an
animal which one was Makdish with intent that it take the
place of a Korban), the slaughter is valid.
1. The rule is - if the Korban (which he says it is)
can be brought voluntarily, the slaughter is
invalid; if the Korban cannot be brought
voluntarily, the slaughter is valid.
(d) (Gemara): If one slaughters and says that it is an
Olah...
(e) Question: Can an Asham Taluy be brought voluntarily?
(f) Answer (R. Yochanan): The Mishnah is R. Eliezer, who
permits bringing an Asham Taluy every day.
(g) Question: A Korban Pesach cannot be brought voluntarily,
one may bring it only on Erev Pesach!
(h) Answer (R. Oshiya): One may designate an animal to be a
Korban Pesach at any time (therefore, people may believe
that this really was a Pesach).
(i) Opinion #1 (R.Yanai): The slaughter is invalid only if
the animal is unblemished, but if it is blemished, no one
will believe it is a Korban.
(j) Opinion #2 (R. Yochanan): The law applies even to
blemished animals - sometimes, the blemish can be covered
up, and people will not know that it has a blemish.
(k) (Mishnah): If he says that it is a Chatas...
(l) (R. Yochanan): It is valid only if he is not obligated to
bring a Chatas - but if he must bring a Chatas, people
will think that he slaughtered his Chatas.
(m) Question: But he did not say that it is *his* Chatas!
(n) Answer (R. Avahu): The case is, he said 'It is my
Chatas'.
(o) (Mishnah): ...A Temurah.
(p) (R. Elazar): It is only valid if he does not have a
Korban in his house - but if he has, people will think
that this was a Temurah of his Korban!
(q) Question: But he did not say that it is a Temurah of
*his* Korban!
(r) Answer (R. Avahu): The case is, he said 'It is a Temurah
of my Korban.'
4) OTHER CASES HINTED AT IN THE MISHNAH
(a) (Mishnah): The rule is (anything which can be brought
voluntarily...)
(b) Question: What does this come to include?
(c) Answer: It includes the Olah of a Nazir.
1. One might have thought, since people know that he is
not a Nazir, there is no concern;
2. The Mishnah teaches, this is not so - they may think
that he accepted Nezirus in private.
i. If he says that it is a Korban which can be
brought voluntarily, the slaughter is invalid;
if the Korban cannot be brought voluntarily,
the slaughter is valid.
(d) (Mishnah): Anything which cannot be brought
voluntarily...
(e) Question: What does this come to include?
(f) Version #1 - Answer: It includes a man who brings the
Olah of a Yoledes (woman that gave birth).
(g) (R. Elazar): It is valid only if he is single, but if he
is married, people will think he is bringing it for his
wife.
(h) Question: But he did not say that he is bringing it for
her!
(i) Answer (R. Avahu): The case is, he said 'It is Olas
Yoledes, for my wife'.
(j) Question: If so, obviously we are concerned that people
will think it is a Korban!
(k) Answer: One might have thought, births become known
(since we did not hear that his wife gave birth, all will
know that the animal is Chulin)!
1. The Mishnah teaches, this is not so - people will
think that she had a miscarriage (that obligates a
Korban).
(l) Version #2 - Answer: It includes Olas Yoledes.
1. One might have thought, we are concerned that people
will think it is a Korban - the Mishnah teaches,
this is not so, had she given birth, people would
know about this.
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