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Chulin 35
1) "CHULIN" TREATED LIKE "TERUMAH" OR "KODESH"
(a) (R. Yonason): If one eats Terumah that is a Shelishi, he
becomes disqualified to eat Terumah, but may touch it.
(b) We must hear both laws (Ula's and R. Yonason's).
1. If we only heard Ula's law, one might have thought,
one who eats a Shelishi of Chulin Al Taharas Terumah
becomes disqualified to eat Terumah, but he may
touch it, but one who eats a Shelishi of Terumah may
not even touch Terumah;
2. If we only heard R. Yonason's law, one might have
thought that one who eats a Shelishi of Terumah is
disqualified to eat Terumah, but one who eats such
Chulin Al Taharas Terumah may eat it.
(c) (R. Yitzchak bar Shmuel bar Marsa): If one eats a
Shelishi of Chulin Al Taharas Kodesh, he is allowed to
eat Kodesh, for a Revi'i (fourth-degree) l'Tumah of
Kodesh can only come from a Shelishi of Kodesh.
(d) Question (Rami bar Chama - Mishnah): If one eats a
Shelishi of Chulin Al Taharas Terumah, he becomes a Sheni
regarding Kodesh, but not regarding Terumah.
1. Even though this Shelishi is not Kodesh, it
disqualifies (a person regarding) Kodesh!
(e) Answer (R. Yitzchak): That is because Terumah, even
Tehorah, is considered Teme'ah regarding Kodesh!
1. (Mishnah): The clothes of a ignoramus are Metamei a
Parush (someone who eats Chulin in Taharah); the
clothes of a Parush are Metamei someone who eats
Terumah; the clothes of one who eats Terumah are
Metamei someone who eats Kodesh.
(f) Objection (Rava): One cannot bring a proof from clothing
- there, we are considered lest his wife sat on his
clothing when she was Nidah, but we have no such concern
about produce!
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(g) R. Yitzchak holds that the same stringencies apply to
produce.
(h) Question (R. Yirmeyah mi'Difti): We do not have such
stringencies by produce!
1. (Mishnah): If an ignoramus says 'I put a Revi'is of
Kodesh in this vessel', he is also believed about
Terumah in the vessel (that it is Tahor).
2. We do not say that the ignoramus' Terumah is
considered Teme'ah, and it makes the Kodesh Tamei -
this refutes R. Yitzchak!
(i) Answer (R. Yitzchak): The law is different when both are
in the same vessel - since he is believed about the
Kodesh, he is also believed about the Terumah.
(j) Question (Rav Huna bar Noson - Mishnah): A Sheni of
Chulin is Metamei Chulin liquids (makes them Rishonim),
and is Posel Terumah (solid) foods; a Shelishi (of Chulin
Al Taharas Kodesh) is Metamei liquids of Kodesh, and is
Posel Kodesh foods.
(k) Answer: Tana'im argue about R. Yitzchak's law (he holds
like Chachamim).
1. (Beraisa): Chulin Al Taharas Kodesh has the law of
regular Chulin;
2. R. Eliezer b'Rebbi Tzadok says, it is like Terumah -
it is Metamei two Kodesh foods (i.e. if it touched
one, and that food touched a second Kodesh food),
and is Posel a third (if the third food touches the
second).
2) IS BLOOD "MACHSHIR"?
(a) (Mishnah): R. Shimon says, the meat is Huchshar (prepared
to become Tamei) on account of the slaughter.
(b) (Rav Asi): R. Shimon holds that slaughter is Machshir,
blood is not.
(c) Suggestion: The Mishnah supports Rav Asi.
1. (Mishnah - R. Shimon): The meat is Huchshar due to
the slaughter.
2. (Inference: Slaughter is Machshir the meat, but
blood would not.
(d) Rejection: No - he means, even slaughter can Machshir the
meat.
(e) Support (Beraisa - R. Shimon to Chachamim): Blood does
not Machshir, slaughter does!
(f) Rejection: He means, not only blood is Machshir, also
slaughter is!
(g) (Beraisa - R. Shimon): Blood of a dead animal (Rashi;
Tosfos - person) is not Machshir.
1. Suggestion: We infer, but blood of slaughter is
Machshir!
2. Rejection: No - rather, we infer that blood of a
corpse (that was killed) is Machshir.
3. Question: If blood of slaughter is not Machshir, the
Beraisa should teach this, we would know that all
the more so, blood of a dead body is not Machshir!
4. Answer: It had to teach about a dead body - if not,
we might have thought that there is no difference if
it died naturally or was killed.
(h) (Beraisa - R. Shimon): Blood from a wound (Rashi - of an
animal; Tosfos - of a person) is not Machshir.
1. Suggestion: We infer, but blood of slaughter is
Machshir!
2. Rejection: No - rather, we infer that blood of a
corpse (that was killed) is Machshir.
3. Question: If blood of slaughter is not Machshir, the
Beraisa should teach this, all the more so blood of
a wound is not Machshir!
4. Answer: It had to teach about a wound - if not, we
might have thought that there is no difference if it
died fully or partially (i.e. was only wounded).
(i) Question: Why would R. Shimon say that blood of a corpse
is Machshir, but not blood of slaughter?
1. Just like a verse teaches that blood of a corpse is
considered a drink - "He will drink the blood of
corpses" - also, a verse teaches that blood of
slaughter is a drink!
i. "You will pour (the blood) on the ground like
water" - this equates blood to water!
(j) Answer: No, that verse teaches that just like one may
benefit from water, also from blood of blemished
Korbanos;
1. One might have thought, just like one may not shear
or work with blemished Korbanos, also one may not
benefit from their blood - the verse teaches, this
is not so.
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