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Bava Metzia 81
BAVA METZIA 81-85 - Ari Kornfeld has generously sponsored the
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1) WHEN IS HE NO LONGER A SHOMER SACHAR?
(a) Version #1 - Question (Rav Nachman bar Papa - Mishnah):
Anyone who told the owner 'Take your item and pay', he is
a Shomer Chinam.
1. Inference: If he only said 'I finished it', he is
still a Shomer Sachar.
(b) Answer: No - rather, we infer, if he said 'Pay me and
take your item' (he keeps the item as security for his
wages), he is a Shomer Sachar.
(c) Question: But if he said 'I finished it', he would be a
Shomer Chinam?!
1. If so, why does it teach regarding 'Take your item
and pay', he is a Shomer Chinam - it should teach,
if he said 'I finished it', he is a Shomer Chinam,
all the more so, 'Take your item and pay'!
(d) Answer: We must teach 'Take your item and pay'.
1. One might have thought, he is not even a Shomer
Chinam - the Mishnah teaches, this is not so.
(e) Version #2 - Support (Rav Nachman bar Papa - Mishnah):
Anyone who told the owner 'Take your item and pay', he is
a Shomer Chinam.
1. Suggestion: The same applies if he only said 'I
finished it'.
(f) Rejection: No - 'Take your item' is different.
(g) (Huna Mar bar Mereimar): In our Mishnah, also if he only
said 'I finished it', he is a Shomer Chinam.
(h) Contradiction (Huna Mar - Mishnah): If Reuven told Shimon
'Send your animal (for me to borrow)' and it died on the
way, Reuven is liable;
1. Similarly, if Reuven sent it back and it died on the
way, he is liable. (We do not say, when he finishes
using it, he is only a Shomer Chinam!)
(i) Answer (Huna Mar): Rafram bar Papa taught, this is only
if he returned it within the time he borrowed it for -
after this, he is exempt.
(j) Question: Is he exempt from liability of a borrower and
liable like a Shomer Sachar, or is he totally exempt?
(k) Answer (Ameimar): Presumably, he is liable as a Shomer
Sachar, since he already benefited.
(l) Support (Beraisa): Reuven took vessels from a craftsman
to send them to his father-in-law. He stipulated: if he
likes them, I will buy them; if not, I will give you the
benefit I got (from showing my father-in-law that I
wanted to give him a gift). If Ones occurred on the way
to his father-in-law, Reuven is liable; on the way back
he is exempt, for he is a Shomer Sachar.
(m) Yehudah sold wine to Levi, who said that he will try to
sell it in a certain place; if he fails, he will return
it. He failed to sell it; Ones occurred on the way back.
1. (Rav Nachman): Levi is liable.
2. Question (Rava - Beraisa): If Ones occurred on the
way, he is liable; on the way back he is exempt, for
he is a Shomer Sachar
3. Answer (Rav Nachman): Here, even on the way back is
like on the way, for he would sell it on the way
back if he could.
2) GUARDING FOR ONE'S EMPLOYEE
(a) (Mishnah): Reuven told Shimon 'Guard for me and I will
guard for you' - they are paid watchmen.
(b) Question: But this is guarding b'Ba'alim (for one's
employee, for which one is exempt)!
(c) Answer (Rav Papa): He said, 'Guard for me today and I
will guard for you tomorrow' - when he was guarding, the
owner was not guarding for him.
(d) (Beraisa): 'Guard for me and I will guard for you', 'Lend
me and I will lend you', 'Guard for me and I will lend
you'. 'Lend me and I will guard for you' - they are all
paid watchmen for each other.
(e) Question: But this is guarding b'Ba'alim!
(f) Answer (Rav Papa): He said, 'Guard for me today and I
will guard for you tomorrow'.
(g) Version #1: There were sellers of aloe that used to take
turns baking for each other. One day, they asked Reuven
to bake; he asked them to guard his garment; they were
negligent, and it was stolen.
1. (Rav Papa): They are liable.
2. Objection (Rabanan): But this is negligence
b'Ba'alim!
3. Rav Papa was embarrassed.
i. It was later found that Reuven was drinking
beer (not working for them) at the time of the
theft (and indeed, they are liable).
(h) This is according to the opinion that negligence
b'Ba'alim is exempt.
(i) Question: According to the opinion that negligence
b'Ba'alim is liable, why was Rav Papa embarrassed?
(j) Answer - Version #2: Rather, that day was not his day to
bake; he agreed to bake if they would watch his garment
as wages for his baking. It was stolen (without
negligence).
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1. (Rav Papa): They are liable.
2. Objection (Rabanan): But this is guarding b'Ba'alim!
3. Rav Papa was embarrassed.
i. It was later found that Reuven was drinking
beer at the time of the theft.
(k) Reuven (a tall man) was riding on a donkey, wearing a
linen garment; Shimon (a short man) was walking by foot,
wearing a wool coat. They came to a river; Shimon put his
coat on the donkey (lest it become waterlogged); he
borrowed Reuven's garment, it got washed away.
(l) (Rava): Shimon is liable.
1. Objection (Rabanan): But this is guarding b'Ba'alim!
2. Rava was embarrassed.
i. It was later found that Shimon put his coat on
the donkey and took Reuven's garment without
asking.
3) MIGO AGAINST WITNESSES
(a) Reuven rented his donkey to Shimon, warning him not to go
near the Pekod river, for it is wet there. Shimon went
there; the donkey died.
(b) Shimon: It was dry there!
(c) Rabah: We believe him - if he wanted to lie, he could
have said that he did not go there!
(d) Objection (Abaye): We do not apply Migo (to believe
someone because if he wanted to lie, he could have lied
better) against witnesses (we all know that it is wet by
the river).
4) ACCEPTING RESPONSIBILITY TO GUARD
(a) (Mishnah):Reuven told Shimon 'Guard this for me', Shimon
said 'Leave it in front of me' - he is a Shomer Chinam.
(b) (Rav Huna): If Shimon said 'Leave it in front of
yourself' - he is neither a free nor Shomer Sachar.
(c) Question: What if he just said 'Leave it'?
(d) Answer #1 (Mishnah):Reuven told Shimon 'Guard this for
me', Shimon said 'Leave it in front of me' - he is a
Shomer Chinam;
1. Inference: Had he not said 'in front of me', he
would not be a Shomer at all!
(e) Rejection: But Rav Huna taught, if Shimon said 'Leave it
in front of yourself' - he is neither a free nor Shomer
Sachar;
1. Inference: Had he not said 'in front of yourself',
he would be a Shomer Chinam!
(f) The inferences contradict each other, we cannot determine
which is valid.
(g) Suggestion: Tana'im argue about this.
1. (Mishnah): If Shimon had permission to bring his
produce or ox (into Shimon's Chatzer), Reuven is
liable (if it is damaged);
2. Rebbi says, in all cases one is not liable unless he
accepted responsibility for the other's property.
(h) Rejection #1: Perhaps Chachamim only say regarding a
Chatzer, where things are easily guarded, that saying
'Come in' is acceptance to guard - but in the market,
'Leave it' means 'Guard it yourself'!
(i) Rejection #2: Perhaps Rebbi only says regarding a
Chatzer, where one needs permission to enter, that 'Come
in' means 'You may enter, but guard it yourself' - but in
the market, 'Leave it' means 'I will guard it' - we
cannot say, he gives him permission to enter!
5) WATCHING A MASHKON
(a) (Mishnah): Reuven lent Shimon, taking a Mashkon - he is a
Shomer Sachar on it.
(b) Suggestion: Our Mishnah argues with R. Eliezer.
1. (Beraisa - R. Eliezer): Reuven lent Shimon, taking a
Mashkon; he lost the Mashkon. He swears (that he
lost it) and collects the debt; (He is only a Shomer
Chinam, because the Mashkon is not for collection,
only a reminder of the loan.)
2. R. Akiva says, he only lent on account of the
Mashkon - now that he lost it, he lost the loan.
3. If there was also a loan document, all agree that it
was for collection, he is a Shomer Sachar, he lost
the loan.
(c) Rejection #1: Our Mishnah agrees with R. Eliezer - he is
discussing a Mashkon taken at the time of the loan;
1. Our Mishnah is discussing a Mashkon taken after the
loan was given - that is surely for collection.
2. Objection: But the Mishnah and Beraisa both say
'Reuven lent Shimon, taking a Mashkon' (which
connotes, at the time of the loan)!
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