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Bava Metzia 74
BAVA METZIA 71-74 - Mrs. Estanne Abraham-Fawer has dedicated two
weeks of Dafyomi study material to honor the second Yahrzeit
of her father, Reb Mordechai ben Eliezer Zvi (Weiner, who
passed away 18 Teves 5761). May the merit of supporting and
advancing the study of the Talmud be l'Iluy Nishmaso.
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1) SITUMTA
(a) (Rava): Three people gave money to Reuven, each asked him
to buy the same thing. He bought it - they are partners
in it;
1. This is only if they gave him loose money; if the
money was bound, he bought for the one whose money
he used.
(b) (Rav Papa): Situmta (marking barrels that one wants to
buy) is an acquisition.
(c) Question: What does this mean?
(d) Answer #1 (Rav Chaviva): It is a full acquisition.
(e) Answer #2 (Rabanan): If either side retracts, he must
receive the curse (He who punished...)
(f) The Halachah follows Rabanan;
1. In a place where this is used to acquire, it
acquires.
2) CONTRACTING FOR UNFINISHED GOODS
(a) (Mishnah): If Reuven harvested...(before there was a
fixed price).
(b) (Rav): If two labors still must be done to the produce,
he may contract, but not if three remain.
(c) (Shmuel): If a person can do the remaining labors, even
if 100 remain, he may contract; if a something remains to
be done by the hands of Heaven, he cannot contract.
(d) Question #1 (Mishnah): He may contract if he has a stack
of grain.
1. He must put it in the sun, thresh and winnow!
(e) Answer #1 (for Rav): The case is, it is already in the
sun.
1. This is still difficult for Shmuel - winnowing
requires wind!
(f) Answer #2 (for Shmuel): He can use a sifter in place of
winnowing.
(g) Question #2 (Mishnah): He may contract if he has a
container of grapes.
1. They must be warmed, brought to the winery, stomped,
and the wine must be drawn into the pit!
(h) Answer #1 (for Shmuel): Just as R. Chiya taught by
olives, that they were already warm - similarly, the
grapes are already warm.
1. This is still difficult for Rav, three labors
remain!
(i) Answer #2 (for Rav): The Mishnah speaks of a place where
the buyer draws the wine into the pit.
(j) Question #3 (Mishnah): He may contract if he has a
container of olives.
1. They must be warmed, brought to the olive-press,
pressed, and the oil must be drawn into the pit!
(k) Answer #1 (for Shmuel - R. Chiya): The case is, the
olives were already warm.
1. This is still difficult for Rav, three labors
remain!
(l) Answer #2 (for Rav): The Mishnah speaks of a place where
the buyer draws the oil into the pit.
(m) Question #3 (Mishnah): He may contract if he has clay
formed to make pots.
1. It must be wrapped, dried, brought to the furnace,
baked and taken out!
(n) Answer #1 (for Shmuel): The case is, it is already
wrapped and dried.
1. This is still difficult for Rav, three labors
remain!
(o) Answer #2 (for Rav): The Mishnah speaks of a place where
the buyer takes the pots out.
(p) Question #4 (Mishnah): He may contract if he has wood and
stones that were put in the furnace to make plaster.
1. They must be burned and taken out, water must be
added and it must be mixed!
(q) Answer #1 (for Rav): The Mishnah speaks of a place where
the buyer mixes it with water.
(r) Question: According to Shmuel, why does the Mishnah say
that they were already put in the furnace - even if not,
he may contract, since this is not at the hands of
Heaven!
(s) Answer: The Mishnah means, once they are fit to put in
the furnace.
3) CONTRACTING FOR THE FUTURE
(a) (Mishnah): Clay formed to make pots.
(b) (Beraisa - R. Meir): One may not contract until the clay
is formed;
(c) R. Yosi says, that is only regarding white clay - but one
may contract for pots of black clay, for others have them
already formed.
(d) Ameimar would give money once the potter brought (black)
clay into his house.
(e) Question: According to whom is this?
1. According to R. Meir, the clay must be formed!
2. According to R. Yosi, even if the potter has no
clay, he may contract, since others have!
(f) Answer: This is according to R. Yosi - in Ameimar's area,
clay was expensive, the buyer and seller decide
absolutely on the deal only if the potter has the clay.
(g) (Mishnah): One may contract for manure all year round;
(R. Yosi permits only if he has a pile, Chachamim permit
it).
(h) Question: What is the difference between the first Tana
and Chachamim?
(i) Answer (Rava): The first Tana permits even in winter;
Chachamim permit only in summer.
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4) A CHANGE IN PRICE
(a) (Mishnah): He may contract at the cheap price.
(b) Reuven gave money (for clothing) to a maker of girls'
clothing, on behalf of his father-in-law; clothing became
cheaper.
(c) (Rav Papa): If you stipulated to receive the cheap price,
you get at today's price; if not, at the price when the
money was given.
(d) Question (Rabanan): If he did not stipulate, why does he
get the old price? He only gave money, that is not an
acquisition (he can retract and buy now)!
(e) Answer (Rav Papa): I referred to who must receive the
curse 'He who punished...': if he stipulated and the
seller wants to retract, the seller bears the curse; if
he did not stipulate and the buyer wants to retract, he
bears the curse.
(f) Question (Ravina): How do we know that our Mishnah is
Chachamim who argue on R. Shimon, and say that money does
not acquire, and even so, if he stipulated, he gets at
today's price;
1. Perhaps our Mishnah is R. Shimon, who says that
money acquires; if he stipulated, he gets at today's
price, if not, at the original price!
2. Chachamim would say, either way he gets today's
price, for a buyer always intends for the cheaper
price!
(g) Answer (Rav Papa): R. Shimon only said that the buyer
cannot retract if the price is the same - if it changed,
also he may retract.
1. Support: We must say this - if not, we do not find
that a buyer ever bears the curse 'He who
punished...' according to R. Shimon!
2. Question: Perhaps he holds that a buyer never bears
the curse!
3. Rejection (Beraisa - R. Shimon): In any case, that
is the law; however, Chachamim said, 'He who
punished...'
i. Question: What does 'In any case' teach?
ii. Answer: Whether the buyer or seller retracts.
4. We conclude that R. Shimon only said that the buyer
cannot retract if the price is the same.
(h) Question (Rav Acha brei d'Rava): Here, the curse does not
apply to the buyer, for Reuven was only an agent! (He
does not retract; his father-in-law cannot be cursed, for
he did not appoint an agent to make a bad deal (i.e.
without stipulating))!
(i) Answer (Rav Ashi): He was not an agent - he received
money from his father to buy clothing (alternatively - he
was buying in order to sell to his father-in-law).
5) LENDING GRAIN
(a) (Mishnah): A man may lend his sharecropper a Se'ah of
wheat (on condition to return a Se'ah) for planting; but
not to eat.
(b) R. Gamliel used to lend thusly (for planting); whether
the price went up or down, he would take back wheat
according to the higher price - this was not the law, he
was stringent on himself.
(c) (Gemara - Beraisa): A man may lend his sharecropper wheat
for (an equal measure of) wheat for planting;
1. This is only if the sharecropper did not yet start
working - if he did, it is forbidden.
(d) Question: Why does the Tana of the Beraisa distinguish
between whether he started working or not, but our Tana
(of the Mishnah) does not distinguish?
(e) Answer (Rava): In the area of our Tana, the sharecropper
provides the seed - since he has no seed, even if he
started working, the owner can fire him;
1. Therefore, when the owner lends him seed, it is like
hiring him now - he is hired for a smaller wage
(i.e. the owner will deduct the amount he gave him
from the sharecropper's share of the harvest).
(f) In the area of the Tana of the Beraisa, the owner
provides the seed. Since it was a good field, the
sharecropper agreed to provide the seed himself; before
he started working, the owner can fire him - therefore,
when the owner lends him seed, it is like hiring him now,
for a smaller wage;
1. The Tana forbids this if he started working and then
accepted to provide the seed himself;
2. Since the owner cannot fire him, he is lending him
on condition to get back the same amount - this is
forbidden.
(g) (Beraisa): Reuven may ask Shimon to lend him a Kor of
wheat if he fixes a price; if the price declines, he pays
wheat; if it goes up, he pays their initial value.
(h) Question: But they fixed a price - he should pay what
they fixed!
(i) Answer (Rav Sheshes): The Beraisa gives the law (he pays
wheat or the initial value) if they did not fix a price.
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