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Bava Metzia 47
BAVA METZIA 47 - Dedicated by Sid and Sylvia Mosenkis of Queens,
New York, in memory of Sylvia's father, Shlomo ben Mordechai
Aryeh, who passed away 3 Teves 5751/1990.
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1) CHALIPIN WHEN PARTICULAR ABOUT THE VALUE OF THE ITEMS
(a) (Rabah citing Rav Huna): Reuven held up money and said
'Sell me your item for this'; Shimon agreed (even though
he could not see how much money it was) - the acquisition
works, and Shimon can claim the Ona'ah (if the money is a
sixth less than the item's value, Reuven must give the
amount he underpaid).
1. The acquisition works, even though Reuven did not
make Meshichah on the item - since Shimon was not
concerned to see how much money was paid, this
acquires, like Chalipin;
2. Shimon can claim the Ona'ah - since he said 'Sell'
and not 'trade,' it is a sale (to which the law of
Ona'ah applies), not Chalipin.
(b) (Rav Aba citing Rav Huna): Reuven held up money and said
'Sell me your item for this'; Shimon agreed - the
acquisition works, and Shimon cannot claim the Ona'ah.
(c) Both agree that if the seller is not concerned to see how
much money was paid, this acquires, like Chalipin;
(d) Question: What is the law regarding Chalipin when the
seller is particular about how much money was paid? (Does
it become like a Kinyan Kesef, and it is not final until
a Meshichah takes place?)
(e) Answer (Rav Ada bar Ahavah - Beraisa): Reuven wanted to
exchange his cow for Shimon's donkey. After asking each
other the price, Shimon pulled the cow; the donkey died
before Reuven pulled it - the cow was not acquired.
1. This teaches that when the seller is concerned how
much money is paid, it is like a regular sale.
(f) Objection (Rava): People always care about the value,
even by Chalipin!
1. The Beraisa is when Shimon wanted a cow and a lamb
for his donkey; since he only pulled the cow, the
acquisition was never completed.
(g) (Rav Huna): Reuven held up money and said 'Sell me your
item for this'; Shimon agreed - the acquisition works,
and Shimon can claim the Ona'ah.
(h) Suggestion: Rav Huna (who says that he acquires because
it is like Chalipin) says that coins can be acquired
through Chalipin.
(i) Rejection: No - rather, he agrees with R. Yochanan, that
mid'Oraisa, money acquires Metaltelim;
1. Chachamim enacted that Meshichah acquires (and not
money), lest someone will sell something in his
house and be slothful about saving it from a fire
for it already belongs to the buyer and he has
nothing to gain by saving it;
2. Chachamim only decreed in the usual case (when the
seller is concerned about the money) however in this
case we rule that the money acquires without
Meshichah.
(j) (Mar Huna brei d'Rav Nachman): We learned that Rav Huna
explicitly said that coins cannot be acquired through
Chalipin.
2) THE VESSEL FOR CHALIPIN
(a) Question: Whose vessel is used to make Chalipin?
(b) Answer #1 (Rav): The buyer's - he wants the seller to get
his vessel, in order that the seller will decide
absolutely that the buyer should get the commodity.
(c) Answer #2 (Levi): The seller's (we will explain why
later).
(d) Question (Rav Huna of Diskarta): According to Levi, the
seller gives land (through Chalipin) by giving a vessel -
but a Mishnah teaches just the contrary!
1. (Mishnah): Metaltelim are acquired along with land.
(e) Answer (Rava): The vessel does not acquire the land -
rather, with the pleasure the seller gets that the buyer
accepted his vessel, he decides absolutely to give the
land.
(f) Tana'im argue as Rav and Levi argue.
1. (Beraisa): "Al ha'Ge'ulah...he gave his shoe to the
other": "Geulah" refers to a sale; "Teudah" refers
to Chalipin;
2. Question: 'Lekayem Kol Davar Shalaf Ish Na'alo" -
who gave his shoe to whom?
3. Answer #1: Bo'az (who was acquiring rights to
(redeem) the field) gave to the (closer) redeemer.
4. Answer #1 R. Yehudah: The redeemer gave to Bo'az.
(g) (Beraisa): A vessel makes Chalipin, even if it is not
worth a Perutah.
(h) (Rav Nachman): That is only by a vessel - but produce
does not work.
(i) (Rav Sheshes): Even produce works.
(j) Question: What is Rav Nachman's reason?
(k) Answer: The verse speaks of a shoe (to show that a vessel
is needed)!
(l) Question: How does Rav Sheshes explain this?
(m) Answer: "Na'alo" teaches that something complete must be
used - this excludes half a fruit.
(n) Question (Rav Sheshes brei d'Rav Idi): We write in
documents '(we acquired) with a vessel proper to acquire
with it' - whom does this follow?
(o) Answer: 'A vessel' excludes Rav Sheshes' opinion, that
produce is valid; 'proper' excludes Shmuel's opinion,
that Marka (Rashi - vessels of dung; Tosfos - date pits)
may be used;
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1. 'To acquire' - not to make (the other) acquire (i.e.
the vessel is of the one acquiring);
2. Version #1 (Rav Papa): 'With it' excludes coins;
3. (Rav Zvid): 'With it' excludes something forbidden
to benefit from it.
4. Version #2 (Rav Papa): 'With it' excludes coins;
5. (Rav Zvid): 'Valid' excludes something forbidden to
benefit from it;
i. Obviously, Marka is invalid, the text need not
allude to it.
3) AN ASIMON
(a) (Mishnah): An Asimon acquires coins...
(b) Question: What is an Asimon?
(c) Answer #1 (Rav): Coins given as a sign in the bathhouse
(that one paid for a bath).
(d) Question (Mishnah): We cannot redeem Ma'aser Sheni on an
Asimon, nor on coins given as a sign in the bathhouse.
1. This says that they are two different things!
2. Suggestion: Perhaps the Mishnah explains - an Asimon
is a coin given as a sign in the bathhouse.
3. Rejection (Mishnah - R. Dosa): We can not redeem
Ma'aser Sheni on an Asimon;
4. Chachamim say, we can redeem on it;
i. Both agree that we cannot redeem on coins given
as a sign in the bathhouse.
(e) Answer #2 (R. Yochanan): Rather, an Asimon is a blank
coin.
(f) This is as R. Yochanan said elsewhere.
1. (R. Yochanan): R. Dosa (brought above) and R.
Yishmael agree with each other.
2. (Beraisa - R. Yishmael): "V'Tzarta ha'Kesef
b'Yadecha" - this includes anything that may be
Nitzrar (wrapped) in the hand;
3. R. Akiva says, this includes any (coin) that has a
Tzurah (form, i.e. mintage).
4) ACQUISITION OF METALTELIM
(a) (Mishnah): If Reuven made Meshichah on Shimon's produce
to buy it and did not yet pay, Shimon cannot retract...
(b) (R. Yochanan): Mid'Oraisa, money acquires Metaltelim;
1. Chachamim enacted that Meshichah acquires (and not
money), lest someone will sell something in his
house and then tell him 'It burned in a fire'.
2. Question: The buyer will collect from the one
responsible for the fire!
3. Answer: Rather, the concern is that a fire will
erupt through Ones.
i. If the item belongs to the seller (until
Meshichah) - he will strive to save it; if it
belongs to the buyer, he will not strive to
save it.
(c) (Reish Lakish): The Torah explicitly teaches that
Meshichah acquires.
(d) Question: What is the source?
(e) Answer: "Kanoh Miyad Amisecha" - something that is passed
from hand to hand (is acquired).
(f) R. Yochanan explains, "Miyad" excludes land from the law
of Ona'ah.
(g) Reish Lakish: To teach only that, it should have said
'When you will sell Miyad Amisecha' - "O Kano" is extra,
to teach Meshichah.
(h) Question: What does R. Yochanan learn from "O Kano"
(i) Answer (Beraisa): "V'chi Timkeru Memkar...Al Tonu" - this
would only teach when the buyer was afflicted (overpaid);
1. "O Kano...Al Tonu" includes when the seller was
afflicted (the buyer underpaid).
(j) Reish Lakish learns both laws from "O Kano".
(k) Question (against Reish Lakish - Mishnah): R. Shimon
says, whoever is holding the money has the upper hand.
1. The seller can retract, not the buyer.
2. We understand this if (mid'Oraisa) coins acquire -
it sufficed to enact that the seller can retract (he
will save the item in order to profit - if it rises
in value, he will cancel the sale).
3. But according to Reish Lakish, coins do not acquire
(mid'Oraisa or mid'Rabanan) - why can't the buyer
retract?
(l) Answer (Reish Lakish): Indeed, R. Shimon holds as R.
Yochanan - I explain Chachamim.
(m) According to Reish Lakish, we understand the argument
between Chachamim and R. Shimon.
(n) Question: According to R. Yochanan, on what do they
argue?
(o) Answer: Rav Chisda's law.
1. (Rav Chisda): Just as it was enacted that sellers
can retract until Meshichah was done, also regarding
buyers.
2. Chachamim hold as Rav Chisda, R. Shimon does not.
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