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Bava Metzia 12
BAVA METZIA 11-17 - This study material has been produced with the help of
the Israeli ministry of religious affairs.
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1) WHEN A FIELD ACQUIRES A GIFT
(a) (Mishnah): Reuven saw people chasing a lost object in his
field...(his field acquires).
1. (R. Yirmeyah): This is only if one could chase and
catch it.
2. Question (R. Yirmeyah): What is the law by a gift?
3. Answer (R. Aba bar Kahana): By a gift, even if one
cannot catch it, the field acquires.
(b) Question (Rava): Someone threw a wallet through a yard;
it left the yard before landing. (Rashi - he made it
Hefker; Tosfos - he intended to give it as a gift.)
1. Being suspended in the air, in a domain in which the
object will not land - is this like resting on the
ground, or not?
(c) Answer (Rav Papa - Mishnah): Reuven saw people chasing...
1. (R. Yirmeyah): This is only if one could chase and
catch it.
2. Question (R. Yirmeyah): What is the law by a gift?
3. Answer (R. Aba bar Kahana): By a gift, even if one
cannot catch it, the field acquires.
(d) Rejection (Rava): Something moving on the ground is
different, clearly it is considered as resting.
2) WHAT MINORS FIND
(a) (Mishnah): Reuven owns objects found by his small sons
and daughters, his male and female Kena'ani slaves, and
his wife;
(b) What is found by his big sons and daughters, his male and
female slaves (Yisraelim), his ex-wife (even though he
didn't pay her Kesuvah yet), they keep.
(c) (Gemara - Shmuel) Question: Why did Chachamim say that
objects found by Reuven's small son belong to Reuven?
(d) Answer (Shmuel): Because when he finds it, he immediately
brings it to his father (he picked it up with intention
to give it to him).
(e) Question: This implies that Shmuel says that a minor
cannot acquire mid'Oraisa!
1. (Beraisa): Reuven (not a poor man) was hired to
harvest - his son may walk after him, taking Leket
(gleanings);
i. If Reuven receives a fixed percentage of the
harvest, his son may not take Leket after him.
2. R. Yosi says, in either case his wife and children
may take Leket after him.
3. (Shmuel): The law is as R. Yosi.
4. Summation of question: If a minor can acquire - we
understand why this is permitted, the child acquires
for himself, then gives to his father;
i. But if a minor cannot acquire - he takes for
his father, this is forbidden, for his father
is not poor!
(f) Answer #1: Shmuel explained the reason of the Tana of our
Mishnah (why the father gets the found objects), but
Shmuel himself rules as R. Yosi.
(g) Objection: Does R. Yosi really say that a minor can
acquire mid'Oraisa?!
1. (Mishnah): The found object of a child, lunatic or
deaf person - it is considered stealing to take it
from them, on account of peace.;
2. R. Yosi says, it is absolute theft.
3. (Rav Chisda): It is absolute theft mid'Rabanan.
i. The difference is, R. Yosi says that Beis Din
makes one return it to them; Chachamim say,
Beis Din does not make one return it.
(h) Answer #2 (Abaye): Really, R. Yosi agrees that
mid'Oraisa, minors cannot acquire;
1. He permits the worker's children to take the Leket
because the poor people despair from it (just as
they despair after the second wave of collectors
passes) - they assume, his children will take it
all.
(i) Objection: (Rav Ada bar Masnah): Is a person allowed to
force poor people to despair from taking what they are
entitled to?!
(j) Answer #3 (Rava): Even though minors cannot acquire,
Chachamim enacted to allow them to collect as if they can
acquire.
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(k) Question: Why?
(l) Answer: The poor are happy with the law, so when they
themselves are hired, their children can collect after
them.
(m) Shmuel argues on R. Chiya bar Aba.
1. (R. Chiya bar Aba): 'Small' and 'big' in the Mishnah
do not refer to minor and adult;
i. Rather, any child that is fed by his father is
called small; any child that feeds himself is
called big.
3) FOUND OBJECTS OF SLAVES
(a) (Mishnah): What his male and female slaves (Yisraelim)
find, they keep.
(b) Question: Their law should be as workers!
1. (Beraisa): A worker keeps what he finds - this is
only if he was hired for a particular job, e.g.
''Weed (or hoe) with me today';
2. But if he said 'Work for me today', the employer
gets it.
(c) Answer #1 (R. Chiya bar Aba): The case is, the slave
makes holes in pearls (in order to thread them), the
master does not want the slave to stop working to pick up
found objects. (Therefore, the slave acted on his own
behalf; he must compensate his master for the time he
stopped working to take the object.)
(d) Answer #2 (Rava): The case is, the slave picked it up as
he worked; since his labor was not diminished at all, he
keeps it.
(e) Answer #3 (Rav Papa): The Beraisa speaks of a worker
hired to pick up found objects.
1. Question: Who would hire a worker for this?
2. Answer: A river overflowed its banks, taking many
fish with it; the overflowed water dried up, leaving
many dead fish.
(f) (Mishnah) Question: What is the case of the female
Yisra'elis slave?
1. If she became a Na'arah - she became free!
2. If she is still a minor - if she has a father, he
gets her found objects;
i. If her father died, that frees her!
ii. (Reish Lakish): A Kal va'Chomer teaches that a
female Yisraelis slave goes free if her father
dies.
(g) Answer: (She is a minor, her father died) - Reish Lakish
was refuted.
(h) Suggestion: Our Mishnah also refutes Reish Lakish!
(i) Rejection: We could say, her father is alive (and he gets
her found objects) - the Mishnah only says 'they belong
to them' to teach that the master does not receive them.
(j) (Mishnah): What his ex-wife finds...
(k) Question: Obviously, she keeps what she finds!
(l) Answer: The case is, she is divorced and not divorced
(i.e. doubtfully divorced).
1. (R. Zeira): Wherever the Tana'im said 'divorced and
not divorced', her husband must feed her.
i. Normally, Chachamim enacted that a man gets his
wife's found objects, to avoid enmity - here,
enmity is preferable (so he will divorce her
absolutely)!
4) A FOUND DOCUMENT
(a) (Mishnah): One who finds a document saying that Reuven
lent Shimon money - if it has Achrayus (it puts a lien on
Shimon's land), he should not return it, because Beis Din
will make Shimon pay;
1. If it has no Achrayus, he should return it, because
Beis Din will not make him pay;
2. R. Meir says, in either case he should not return
it, because Beis Din will make him pay.
(b) (Gemara) Question: What is the case?
1. If Shimon admits (that he owes the money) - if it
has Achrayus why not return it?
2. If he does not admit - if it has no Achrayus why
return it?
i. Granted, Reuven cannot collect from land that
Shimon sold - but he can collect from Shimon's
own property (and money)!
(c) Answer #1: Really, Shimon admits; we are concerned that
the loan was given later than the date on the document;
1. Reuven could use the document to illegitimately
collect property that Shimon sold after the date but
before the loan was given.
(d) Question: If so, we should be concerned for this by all
documents!
(e) Answer: We are only concerned when there is something
wrong (e.g. the document was lost).
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