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Bava Kama 116
BAVA KAMA 116 - dedicated by Mr. Simon and Mr. Yitzi Joseph, of Manchester,
to the memory of their late great uncle, Reb Yaakov ben Meir Eichen.
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1) PAYING AS STIPULATED
(a) (Mishnah): If Levi said, I will save your
(honey...Yehudah must pay for his wine).
(b) Question: Why can't Yehudah say, 'I was only joking!'?
1. (Beraisa): Reuven was fleeing from jail. He told the
ferryman 'I will give you a Dinar to take me to the
other side' - he need only give the standard amount.
i. This is because he can say 'I was only joking!'
- we should say the same here!
(c) Answer: Our case is like the end of the Beraisa .
1. (End of the Beraisa): If he said 'Take a Dinar as
your wages', he must pay the full wage.
2. Question: What is the difference between this and
when he said 'I will give you a Dinar'?
3. Answer (Rami bar Chama): Here, the case is that the
ferryman was taking fish from the sea; by crossing
the river, he lost a Dinar's worth of fish.
(d) (Mishnah): A flooding river overcame their donkeys;
Reuven's was worth 100...
(e) We need to hear both cases.
1. If we only heard by the wine - one might have
thought, only there he is compensated for his loss
when he stipulated, for he actively caused his own
loss (he spilled out the wine);
2. If we only heard by the donkeys - one might have
thought, only here he is not fully compensated
unless he stipulated, for the loss came by itself.
(f) Question (Rav Kahana): Reuven stipulated that he will
save Shimon's donkey and be compensated for his own. He
went to save Shimon's, and his own donkey came to safety
by itself - what is the law?
(g) Answer (Rav): Hash-m was gracious (to give Reuven a gift)
- Shimon must pay as agreed.
(h) This is as Rav Safra's case.
1. Rav Safra was in a caravan; a lion accompanied them.
Each night, a member of the caravan would give his
donkey to the lion, and the lion ate it.
2. On Rav Safra's night, the lion did not eat the
donkey; Rav Safra made an acquisition on the donkey.
3. Question (Rav Acha mi'Difti): Why did he need to
make an acquisition? He only made it Hefker for the
lion, not for others!
4. Answer (Ravina): Really, no acquisition was needed;
Rav Safra only did it so no one will contest him.
(i) Question (Rav): Reuven stipulated that he will save
Shimon's donkey and be compensated; he was unable to save
it - what is the law?
(j) Answer (Rebbi): This is obvious! He only receives the
normal wage for his exertion.
(k) Question (Rav - Beraisa): Levi hired Yehudah to bring
cabbage and plums to a sick person; by the time he
brought it, the patient died or recovered - Yehudah gets
the full wage.
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(l) Answer (Rebbi): There, Yehudah fulfilled his mission; by
the donkey, he did not.
2) LAWS OF PEOPLE TRAVELING TOGETHER
(a) (Beraisa): A caravan was travelling in the wilderness; a
troop was about to despoil it. The troop agreed to take a
sum of money instead. Members of the caravan pay
according to their wealth (since there was no mortal
danger);
1. If they hired a guide, for this they may pay a fixed
amount per person (since getting lost is mortal
danger); they stick to the custom of donkey-drivers.
(b) Donkey-drivers may stipulate that anyone who loses a
donkey, will get another donkey - but not if it was lost
through negligence.
1. If he says, give me the money for a donkey, I will
buy it - we do not accede.
2. Objection: This is obvious! (The whole agreement was
in order that he will be motivated to guard well.)
3. Answer: We need to hear in the case when he already
has a donkey.
i. One might have thought, he will guard well in
any case - we hear, this is not so, he will
guard better if he has 2 donkeys.
(c) (Beraisa): A storm was about to sink a ship. The
passengers were throwing things overboard to lighten the
ship - they must throw equal weights, without regard to
the value; they stick to the custom of ship-drivers.
(d) Ship-drivers may stipulate that anyone who loses a ship,
will get another ship - but not if it was lost through
negligence.
1. If he went to a part of the river where ships do not
go, he does not get another ship.
2. Objection: This is obvious!
3. Answer: The case is, he went in spring (when the
river is overflowing) to a part of the river
normally traveled in fall (when the water level is
low). One might have thought, he adopted a normal
course - we hear, this is not so.
(e) (Beraisa): A caravan was travelling in the wilderness; a
troop despoiled it. A member of the caravan saved some of
what the troop took - everyone gets back his own things;
1. If he told them that he is saving for himself, he
keeps it all.
(f) Question: What is the case?
1. If the others can also save - why should his
declaration help?
2. If they cannot save - why does he need to declare?
(g) Answer #1 (Rami bar Chama): The case is, they were
partners; in case as this, a partner can divide the
property by himself.
1. Unless he said that he is saving for himself, they
are still partners.
(h) Answer #2 (Rava): The case is, the one who saved was
working for the caravan; the Tana holds as Rav, that a
worker can quit his job in the middle.
1. Until he says he is quitting - he acts on their
behalf;
2. When he said that he is saving for himself, he
acquires for himself from Hefker.
i. "To Me Benei Yisrael are slaves", they are not
slaves of slaves (therefore, a worker can quit
when he wants).
(i) Answer #3 (Rav Ashi): The case is, the others could have
saved with difficulty.
1. If he never said that he is saving for himself, they
did not despair of their property;
2. If he said that he is saving for himself, and they
did not protest, this shows that they despaired of
their property.
3) SHOWING MONEY
(a) (Mishnah): Reuven stole Shimon's field; extortionists
stole it from Reuven. If extortionists are taking fields
from everyone, Reuven can say 'your field is still
there';
1. If they took it on account of Reuven, he must give
another field to Shimon.
(b) (Gemara) - Question: What is the case when they took it
on account of Reuven?
1. If they only took Reuven's field - the beginning of
the Mishnah teaches this - he is only exempt if
everyone is afflicted!
(c) [Version #1 - Answer: The case is, Reuven never stole the
field, he merely showed it to messengers of the king who
were looking to take land.]
(d) [Version #2 - Answer: The case is, Nochrim forced Reuven
to show them his fields; he also showed them the field he
stole from Shimon.]
(e) Levi showed a pile of wheat of the Reish Galusa (to
extortionists); Rav Nachman obligated him to pay.
1. Rav Huna bar Chiya: Was this letter of the law, or a
fine?
2. Rav Nachman: This is the law of our Mishnah - If
they took it on account of Reuven, he must give
another field to Shimon; we established it when
Reuven showed it (to people that would take it).
3. Rav Yosef (to Rav Huna): What difference does it
make if it was letter of the law or a fine?
4. Rav Huna: If it was letter of the law, one may learn
to other cases; if it was a fine, one may not.
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