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Bava Kama 96
BAVA KAMA 96 - in honor of the Bar Mitzvah of Mordechai Lamet of
Brooklyn, NY, son of Yosi and Leah Lamet. May Mordechai always
grow in Torah and the fear of Hashem and bring his parents
true "Yiddishe Nachas." Dedicated by Celine and Shabsy
Ledereich of Har Nof, Yerushalayim.
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1) IMPROVEMENTS ON STOLEN PROPERTY
(a) (Rava): A thief stole and improved property, and then
sold or bequeathed it - the sale or inheritance takes
effect regarding the increased value (Rashi - a half,
third or quarter thereof; alternatively, the entire
increased value - this is an enactment to facilitate
repentance).
(b) Question (Rava): If the buyer improved the land, what is
the law?
(c) Answer (Rava): One who sells something, he sells all
rights he has to it. (Just as if the thief improved it,
he would get (all or some) of the improvements, also the
buyer.)
(d) Question (Rava): If a Nochri (thief) improved the land,
what is the law?
1. Question (Rav Acha Mi'Difti): Should we make
enactments for Nochrim?!
2. Answer (Ravina): The case is, the Nochri sold it to
a Yisrael.
3. Question: Still - one who acquired land through a
Nochri has no more rights than the Nochri had!
4. Answer: The case is, the Nochri bought it from a
Yisrael thief, and then sold it to a Yisrael.
i. Do we say - since a Yisrael stole it and it is
now by a Yisrael, the enactment applies?
ii. Or - since a Nochri had it in between, there is
no enactment?
iii. This question is unsettled.
2) CHANGES TO STOLEN OBJECTS
(a) (Rav Papa): Reuven stole a date tree and cut it down -
even if he plants it in his own property, he does not
acquire it.
(b) Question: Why not?
(c) Answer: Originally, it was called a date tree, and also
now!
(d) If he stole a date tree and made logs out of it, he does
not acquire them, for they are called date logs (the name
has not been lost).
(e) If he stole logs and made beams, he acquires them.
(f) If he stole long beams and cut them into small beams, he
does not acquire them.
1. If he made boards out of them, he acquires them.
(g) (Rava): One who stole a Lulav and pulled off the leaves,
he acquires it - originally, it was called a Lulav, and
now it is leaves.
(h) One who stole Lulav leaves and made a broom (by cutting
each leaf in half), he acquires it - originally, it was
leaves, now it is a broom.
(i) One who stole a broom and made it into a rope, he does
not acquire it, for he can untie it, and have a broom
again.
(j) Question (Rav Papa): If the middle leaf was split, what
is the law?
(k) [Version #1 - Answer: We may learn from R. Mason, who
said that if the middle leaf was removed, it is
disqualified.
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1. Suggestion: Also if it was split it is disqualified.
(Therefore, this is a change, a thief acquires
through this.)
(l) Rejection: No, only removal disqualifies it, for then it
is lacking.]
(m) [Version #2 - Answer: We may learn from R. Mason, who
said that if the middle leaf was split, it is as if it
was removed, it is disqualified.]
(n) (Rav Papa): One who stole dirt and made a brick, he does
not acquire it, because he can return it to dirt.
1. One who stole a brick and made it dirt, he acquires.
2. Question: Why not say that he can make a brick
again, so he does not acquire?
3. Answer: It would be a different brick.
(o) (Rav Papa): One who stole a lump of silver and made a Zuz
(coin), he does not acquire, because he can return it to
a lump of silver.
1. One who stole a Zuz and made it a lump of silver, he
acquires.
2. Question: Why not say that he can make a Zuz again,
so he does not acquire?
3. Answer: It would not be the same as originally.
(p) (One who stole) a black (i.e. old) coin and made it as
new, he does not acquire;
1. If he blackened a new coin, he acquires.
2. Question: Why not say that he can make it new again?
3. Answer: It would be recognizable that it was once
blackened.
3) WHEN THE STOLEN OBJECT APPRECIATES IN VALUE
(a) (Mishnah): The general rule is, all thieves pay as at the
time of the theft.
(b) Question: What does this rule come to include?
(c) Answer: R. Ila'a's case - one who stole a lamb or calf
and it became a ram or bull, he acquires it through this
change;
1. If he slaughtered or sold it, he slaughtered or sold
his own animal (and is exempt from 4 or 5).
(d) A man stole a yoke of oxen; he plowed and seeded with
them, then returned them.
1. Rav Nachman: Evaluate the increased value (the owner
receives it).
2. Rava: Are the oxen the only cause of the increased
value, and not the land?
3. Rav Nachman: I only intended that the owner receive
half.
4. Rava: Still, the stolen object returns intact, as
the Mishnah teaches - all thieves pay as at the time
of the theft (why should the owner profit)?
5. Rav Nachman: This man has stolen many times, I want
to fine him.
4) WHEN THE STOLEN OBJECT DEPRECIATED
(a) (Mishnah): A man stole an animal or slaves and they grew
old - he pays as at the time of the theft;
1. R. Meir says, regarding slaves, he can say behold,
here are your slaves (because slaves are never
considered to be stolen).
(b) If he stole a coin and it cracked, fruit and they rotted,
wine and it soured - he pays as at the time of the theft.
(c) If he stole a coin and it was disqualified, Terumah and
it became Tamei, Chametz and Pesach came, an animal and a
person slept with it or served it as idolatry or (it
received a minor blemish) disqualifying it from being a
sacrifice, or if it was being taken to be stoned, he can
say behold, here is your animal.
(d) (Gemara - Rav Papa): The Mishnah is not only if the
animal became truly old, rather, even if it became
weaker.
(e) Question: But the Mishnah says, it became old!
(f) Answer: It means, it became weaker similarly to growing
old, i.e. it will not get better.
(g) Mar Keshisha, Rav Chisda's son, citing R. Yochanan: Even
if he stole a lamb or calf and it became a ram or bull,
he acquires it through this change;
1. If he slaughtered or sold it, he slaughtered or sold
his own animal (and is exempt from 4 or 5).
(h) Rav Ashi: R. Ila'a taught that law.
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