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Bava Kama 49
1) WHO PAYS FOR A FETUS
(a) (Mishnah): An ox intended to gore an ox; it hit a woman,
making her miscarry - it does not pay for the fetus;
1. Reuven intended to kill a man, he hit a woman,
making her miscarry - he pays for the fetus.
(b) To pay for the fetus, we evaluate how much the mother was
worth before giving birth and after giving birth;
1. R. Shimon ben Gamliel says, that cannot be - if so,
she is worth more after birth!
2. Rather, we estimate how much the child is worth - he
gives this to her husband;
i. If she has no husband, it goes to his heirs.
ii. If she was a freed slave or convert (and also
her husband was a freed slave or convert, and
he had no heirs) , there is no payment.
(c) (Gemara) Inference: The ox does not pay because it
intended for an ox - had it intended for her, it would
pay - this refutes Rav Ada bar Ahavah.
1. (Rav Ada bar Ahavah): An ox that intended for a
woman does not pay for the fetus.
(d) Rejection: No - even if it intended for her, it would not
pay;
1. The Mishnah spoke of intending for an ox for
parallel structure to the case of a man.
(e) (Rav Papa): An ox gored a slave, making her miscarry - it
pays for the fetus.
(f) Question: Why is this?
(g) Answer: She is (her master's property), just as a
pregnant donkey;
1. "Im (with) the donkey" - Am (nation) that resembles
a donkey.
2) THE PAYMENTS FOR THE FETUS
(a) (Mishnah): To pay for the fetus, we evaluate...
(b) Question: It should not say the value of the fetus,
rather (Bach - the value of the fetus and) the added
value of the fetus!
(c) Answer: True - the Mishnah asks, how do we evaluate the
value and added value of the fetus? We evaluate how much
the mother was worth before giving birth and after giving
birth.
(d) (Mishnah): R. Shimon ben Gamliel says, that cannot be -
if so (as Chachamim), she is worth more after birth!
(e) Question: What does this mean? (Chachamim say she is
worth less after birth!)
(f) Answer #1 (Rabah): A woman is not worth less after birth,
rather she is worth more (for she is no longer in
danger);
1. Rather, we estimate how much the child is worth - he
gives this to her husband;
2. Support (Beraisa): A woman is not worth more before
birth - rather, she is worth more after birth!
i. Rather, we estimate how much the child is worth
- he gives this to her husband;
(g) Answer #2 (Rava): R. Shimon ben Gamliel asks, the added
value of a pregnant woman - does this only belong to her
husband, and not to herself?!
1. Rather, we estimate how much the child is worth - he
gives this to her husband;
2. The extra amount she is worth on account of the
pregnancy is shared with her husband.
3. Support (Beraisa - R. Shimon ben Gamliel): The added
value of a pregnant woman - does this only belong to
her husband, and not to her herself?!
i. Rather, we estimate the Nezek by itself, and
the pain by itself, and give these to her;
ii. We evaluate the child - this goes to her
husband;
iii. The extra amount she is worth on account of the
pregnancy is shared with her husband.
(h) Question: R. Shimon ben Gamliel contradicts himself in
the 2 Beraisos!
(i) Answer: No - the first Beraisa is by a woman giving birth
the first time (she is in great danger, she is worth less
before birth); the second Beraisa is by a woman that
already gave birth.
(j) Question: Chachamim say that the husband also gets the
extra amount she is worth on account of the pregnancy -
why is this?
(k) Answer (Beraisa): It says "And she lost her children" -
why must it say (that she was) "pregnant"?
1. This teaches, the extra amount she is worth on
account of the pregnancy goes to her husband.
(l) Question: What does R. Shimon ben Gamliel learn from
"pregnant"?
(m) Answer: As R. Eliezer ben Yakov learns.
1. (Beraisa - R. Eliezer ben Yakov): He only pays for
the fetus if he hit her in the area of the fetus.
2. (Rav Papa): This means, anywhere where heat of the
blow will reach the child (the torso), i.e.
excluding the legs and arms.
3) A CONVERT'S SHARE OF PAYMENT FOR THE FETUS
(a) (Mishnah): If she was a freed slave or a convert (and
also her husband was a freed slave or convert, and he had
no heirs), Reuven does not pay.
(b) (Rabah): This is only if he hit her in her husband's
lifetime, and then her husband died;
1. At the time he hit her, the payment belongs to her
husband; once he dies, Reuven is exempted.
2. But if he hit her after her husband died, he must
pay her.
(c) (Rav Chisda): Payment for the fetus is not something
which can be transferred!
1. The Torah said that the husband gets it; if there is
no husband, it is not paid.
(d) Question (Beraisa): Reuven hit a woman, making her lose
her fetus - he pays Nezek and pain to her, and
compensation for the fetus to her husband;
1. If the husband is dead, his heirs receive his share;
if she died, her heirs receive her share.
2. If she was a freed slave or a convert, he (Reuven)
merits (to be exempt).
(e) Answer #1: Just as we explained that the Mishnah is when
he hit her in her husband's lifetime, also the Beraisa.
(f) Answer #2: He hit her even after her husband died; the
Beraisa means, whoever merits collects (i.e. if she was
hit after her husband died, she collects).
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(g) Suggestion: Tana'im argue as Rabah and Rav Chisda.
1. (Beraisa #1): A Bas Yisrael married a convert and
became pregnant through him; Reuven hit her (in her
husband's lifetime, making her miscarry) - he pays
her husband;
2. If he hit her after her husband died, he is liable.
(h) (Beraisa #2): He is exempt.
(i) Indeed, Rabah is only as Beraisa #1; he must admit,
Beraisa #2 is as Rav Chisda.
(j) But Rav Chisda can say, both Tana'im are as him; Beraisa
#2 is as Chachamim, Beraisa #1 is as R. Shimon ben
Gamliel (who says that she gets a share of her increased
value).
1. Question: If Beraisa #1 is as R. Shimon ben Gamliel
- why does it mention the husband dying, even if he
is alive she gets a share!
2. Answer: In his life, she only gets half; after he
dies, she gets her entire increased value.
(k) Alternatively - Rav Chisda can say, both Beraisos are as
R. Shimon ben Gamliel; the second speaks of payment for
the fetus, the first speaks of payment for her increased
value.
(l) Question: We should learn from her increased value to
payment for the fetus (just as she merits his share of
her increased value when he dies, also payment for the
fetus); and from R. Shimon ben Gamliel to Chachamim (that
she merits what was due to her husband (when he dies))!
(m) Answer: No - she is party to her increased value, so when
he dies, she merits his share of it;
1. She has no share of payment for the fetus - when he
dies, she does not merit what was due to him.
4) THE PROPERTY OF A CONVERT THAT DIES
(a) Question (Rav Yeba Sava): Reuven grabbed the documents of
a convert that died (without heirs) - what is the law?
1. Did he grab them intending to acquire the land?
i. The land can only be acquired through Chazakah
- he did not do this, so he gets neither the
land nor the document.
2. Or - is he also intending for the document (so he
acquires the document)?
(b) Rav Nachman: Does he want a worthless document to use as
a bottle-cork?!
(c) Rav Yeba: Yes!
(d) (Rabah): A convert (Yisro) had a pledge from Reuven;
Yisro died, and Shimon grabbed the pledge - he must give
it to Reuven.
(e) Question: Why is this?
(f) Answer: When Yisro died, his lien on the pledge ended.
(g) Reuven had a pledge from a convert (Yisro). Yisro died,
and Shimon grabbed the pledge - Reuven collects the
amount of his loan, and Shimon keeps the rest.
(h) Question: Reuven's premises should acquire the entire
pledge for him!
1. (R. Yosi bar Chanina): A person's yard acquires for
him without his knowledge.
(i) Answer #1: The case is, Reuven is not in the city.
1. (This answer holds) whenever Reuven can acquire
things, his yard can acquire for him; whenever
Reuven cannot acquire (e.g. he is not here), his
yard cannot acquire for him.
(j) Answer #2: The case is, the pledge is not in Reuven's
yard; the law is as this answer (but not as Answer #1).
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