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Bava Kama 25
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1) "DAYO"
(a) Question: Does R. Tarfon really not agree to Dayo - Dayo
is mi'Di'oraisa!
1. (Beraisa): "If (Miryam's) father would spit at her,
she should be shut up for 7 days" - all the more so,
she should be shut up for 14 days when the Divine
Presence is angry at her!
i. However, because of Dayo, she is only shut up
for 7 days.
(b) Answer: He agrees to Dayo when it still allows something
to be learned from the Kal va'Chomer.
1. No verse teaches that she should be shut up 7 days
on account of the Divine Presence - we just have a
Kal va'Chomer teaching 14; Dayo says, we may only
learn 7.
2. By Keren, the verse that teaches half-damage also
applies to the damagee's premises - if we apply
Dayo, the Kal va'Chomer will not teach anything!
3. Chachamim say, "She will be shut up 7 days" already
teaches 7 days on account of the Divine Presence
(and even so, we say Dayo)!
4. R. Tarfon says, that verse teaches Dayo - without
it, we would have said she is shut up 14 days!
5. Chachamim: Another verse teaches that - "Miryam was
shut up (...7 days)"!
6. R. Tarfon says, that teaches that we generally say
Dayo (if there is no other Chidush of the Kal
va'Chomer) - one might have thought, Dayo applies
only by Miryam, because of Moshe's honor.
2) TANA'IM THAT ARGUE ON DAYO
(a) Question (Rav Papa): But there is a Tana that argues on
Dayo even when it allows nothing to be learned from the
Kal va'Chomer!
1. (Beraisa): How do we know that semen of a Zav is
Tamei? We learn from a Kal va'Chomer.
i. Emissions (such as spit) which are Tahor in a
Tahor person, they are Tamei by a Tamei person
(such as a Zav) - emissions (such as semen)
which are Tamei in a Tahor person, all the more
so they are Tamei by a Tamei person!
2. (Summation of question): He learns both Tum'ah of
touching and moving - he should only learn Tum'ah of
touching, Dayo should prevent him from learning
Tum'ah of moving!!
3. Suggestion: We do not need a Kal va'Chomer for
touching - the verse that teaches Tum'ah (by
touching) of semen also applies to a Zav!
4. Rejection: That verse says "A chance happening of
the night" - one might have thought, this does not
apply to a Zav, for his semen is due to something
else (his malady) - the Kal va'Chomer teaches, this
is not so.
(b) Answer (Abaye): The verse does not say that the semen
cannot be caused by another matter (the Kal va'Chomer is
not needed for touching).
(c) Question: Which Tana holds that semen of a Zav does not
convey Tum'ah to one who moves it - this is unlike both
R. Eliezer and R. Yehoshua!
1. (Beraisa - R. Eliezer): The semen of a Zav conveys
Tum'ah by touching, not by moving;
2. R. Yehoshua says, even by moving, for it surely has
drops of Zivah (different emissions that make a man
a Zav).
i. R. Yehoshua only says it has Tum'ah of moving
because it has drops of Zivah - semen itself
lacks this Tum'ah!
(d) Answer (Mishnah): Stricter Tum'os - the Zivah, spit,
semen and urine of a Zav, and the blood of a Nidah - they
are Tamei both by touching and moving.
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(e) Question: Perhaps the Tana only says so because semen has
drops of Zivah in it!
(f) Answer: If so, semen should have been taught next to
Zivah; rather, it was taught next to spit, because it is
learned from a Kal va'Chomer from his spit.
3) THE TUM'AH OF A MAT
(a) Question (R. Acha mi'Difti): The Tana of the following
Beraisa argues on Dayo even when it allows nothing to be
learned from the Kal va'Chomer!
1. (Beraisa): A Kal va'Chomer teaches that a mat can
receive Tum'as Mes (i.e. of a corpse): small flasks
do not receive Tum'ah from a Zav (the opening is too
small to stick his finger inside), they receive
Tum'as Mes;
i. A mat receives Tum'ah from a Zav, all the more
so it receives Tum'as Mes!
2. (Summation of question): The Tana learns both for
1-day Tum'ah (for which it suffices to immerse it in
a Mikvah, and it is fully Tahor at nightfall), and
for 7-day Tum'ah (which requires sprinkling from
water with ashes of the red heifer)!
i. He should say learn 1-day Tum'ah from the Kal
va'Chomer, Dayo should prevent learning 7-day
Tum'ah!
(b) Answer (Abaye): Really, the Tana learns that a mat
receives Tum'ah of rodents from the Kal va'Chomer:
1. Small flasks do not receive Tum'ah from a Zav, but
they receive Tum'ah of rodents (since very small
rodents can enter them);
i. A mat receives Tum'ah from a Zav, all the more
so it receives Tum'ah of rodents!
(c) Question: From where does he learn Tum'as Mes of a mat?
(d) Answer: It says "A garment or leather" by Tum'ah of
rodents and also by Tum'as Mes - just as a mat receives
Tum'ah of rodents, it receives Tum'as Mes.
(e) We must say that the words "A garment or leather" are
extra, only to teach the Gezeirah Shavah - if not, we
could refute the teaching.
1. A lentil's worth of a rodent imparts Tum'ah, but an
olive's worth of a Mes is needed to impart Tum'ah
(this shows that Tum'ah of rodents is broader -
perhaps mats only receive Tum'ah of rodents, not of
a Mes).
(f) Correct, the words are extra.
1. Rodents are equated to semen - "A man that will have
a seminal emission...a man that will touch a
rodent";
2. Question: It says by semen "Any garment and any
leather that semen will be on (will be Tamei)" - why
did the Torah write "A garment or leather" by
rodents (it could have been learned from semen)?
3. Answer: The words "A garment or leather" written by
rodents are free for the Gezeirah Shavah.
(g) Question: We have only shown that "A garment or leather"
written by rodents is extra - this fits the opinion that
that we may not challenge a Gezeirah Shavah if (the
word(s) of) 1 side is extra;
1. But according to the opinion that we may challenge
it unless both sides are extra, how can we answer?
(h) Answer: The words "A garment or leather" written by
Tum'as Mes are also free.
1. Tum'as Mes is equated to semen - "Anyone that will
touch someone that is Tamei Mes or a man that will
have a seminal emission";
2. Question: It says by semen "Any garment and any
leather that semen will be on (will be Tamei)" - why
did the Torah write "A garment or leather" by Tum'as
Mes?
3. Answer: The words are free for the Gezeirah Shavah.
(i) This fits the opinion that when we learn a law from
another topic, the law is governed by rules of its own
realm (i.e. when we learn from semen (Rashi, according to
Maharsha; Maharshal - from rodents) that Tum'as Mes
applies to a mat, we say that it is as all things that
receive Tum'as Mes, it can receive 7-day Tumah);
1. Question: According to the opinion that when we
learn a law from another topic, the law is governed
by rules of the topic from which we learned (i.e.
when we learn from semen (Maharshal - rodents) that
Tum'as Mes applies to a mat, we only learn 1-day
Tum'ah, which applies to rodents) - how do we learn
7-day Tum'ah?
2. Answer (Rava): "You will wash your clothing on the
seventh day" - no Tum'ah of Mes is less than 7 days.
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