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Bava Basra 157
1) ONE WHO CANNOT HELP HIMSELF
(a) (Gemara): Our Mishnah is like R. Yehudah.
1. (Beraisa - R. Meir): R. Eliezer says that his words
take effect on a weekday, because he could write,
but not on Shabbos;
2. R. Yehoshua says, his words take effect on a
weekday, all the more so on Shabbos (when he may not
write)!
i. Similarly: R. Eliezer says, we may Mezakeh for
an adult, but not for a minor (he could not
acquire for himself);
ii. R. Yehoshua says, we may Mezakeh for an adult,
all the more so for a minor!
3. R. Yehudah says, R. Eliezer says that his words take
effect on Shabbos, but not on a weekday;
4. R. Yehoshua says, his words take effect on Shabbos,
all the more so on a weekday!
i. Similarly: R. Eliezer says, we may Mezakeh for
a minor, but not for an adult;
5. R. Yehoshua says, we may Mezakeh for a minor, all
the more so for an adult!
2) A LIEN ON PROPERTY BOUGHT LATER
(a) (Mishnah - Beis Shamai): A house fell on Reuven and Levi
(his father, or someone else Reuven inherits), Reuven's
property was not enough to pay his creditors (or his
wife's Kesuvah). Levi's remaining heirs (i.e. after
Reuven) say that Reuven died first, so the creditors have
no claim on Levi's property; the creditors say that Levi
died first, so Reuven inherited Levi's property, and they
can collect it. The creditors and heirs divide the
disputed amount (that the creditors want to collect from
Levi's property);
(b) Beis Hillel say, we leave the property in its Chazakah
(with the heirs).
(c) (Gemara - Mishnah): If Shimon lent Yehudah and wrote a
document, he can collect from property that Yehudah sold
(after the loan); if there is no document, he only
collects from unsold property.
(d) Question (Shmuel): What if Yehudah gave Shimon a lien on
'property that I will acquire'?
1. According to R. Meir, a man can transfer ownership
of something that is not yet in the world, surely
this takes effect;
2. The question is according to Chachamim, who say that
a man cannot transfer ownership of something that is
not yet in the world.
(e) Answer (Rav Yosef - Mishnah - Chachamim): (David brought
a document saying that Moshe owes him money. Moshe showed
a document that he bought land from David after the loan;
he says, surely he would not sell me property if I still
owed him!) Moshe's claim is not accepted - David was
clever, he sold him land so he can collect it!
(f) Objection (Rava): You prove that the lender can collect
land from the borrower that he bought later and is still
in his possession?! This is obvious, he can collect
anything the buyer has, even the shirt off his back!
1. The question was whether or not Shimon can collect
property that Yehudah later acquired, then sold or
bequeathed it.
(g) Answer (Rav Chana - Mishnah): ...Levi's heirs say that
Reuven died first, the creditors say that Levi died first
(so they can collect it).
1. If a lender cannot collect property that the
borrower later bought and sold or bequeathed, even
if Levi died first and Reuven inherited, they cannot
collect from the heirs (who inherited from Reuven)!
(h) Rejection #1 (Rav Nachman citing Ze'iri): The creditors
do not collect because of the lien, rather because it is
a Mitzvah for orphans (or other heirs) to pay the debt of
their father (the one they inherited).
(i) Objection (Rav Ashi): The Mitzvah to pay the debt of the
father from inherited land on which there was a lien - if
we say that there was no lien on this land (since Reuven
acquired it after the loan), there is no Mitzvah to pay!
1. (Rav and Shmuel): A loan without a document cannot
be collected from one who inherited or bought from
the borrower.
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(j) Rejection #2 (of Answer #1): The Mishnah is like R. Meir,
who says that a man can transfer ownership of something
that is not yet in the world;
1. The question was according to Chachamim.
(k) Answer #2 (R. Yakov of Nehar Pekod - Mishnah): Predated
loan documents are invalid, postdated loan documents are
valid.
1. If a lender cannot collect property that the
borrower (Daniel) later bought and sold or
bequeathed, why are postdated loan documents valid?
Perhaps Daniel acquired property after the loan and
before the date, and sold or bequeathed it; since
the date on the document is after Daniel acquired
the property, Daniel's creditor will collect the
property (but he is not entitled to)!
(l) Rejection: That Mishnah is like R. Meir, who says that a
man can transfer ownership of something that is not yet
in the world.
(m) Answer #3 (Rav Mesharshiya - Beraisa): Compensation for
improvements: Aharon sold a field to Kalev; Kalev
improved it, and Aharon's creditor took it. Kalev can
collect what he paid from property that Aharon sold, he
can only collect the value of the improvements from
Aharon's unsold property.
1. If a lender cannot collect property that the
borrower later bought and sold or bequeathed, why
can the creditor take the improvements from Kalev?
(Since there is a lien on the land, it is as if the
borrower acquired the improvements (and this was
after the loan), and the creditor collects this from
the buyer!)
(n) Rejection: The Beraisa is like R. Meir, who says that a
man can transfer ownership of something that is not yet
in the world.
3) THE LIENS OF TWO CREDITORS
(a) The following question only applies if you will say a
lender *can* collect property that the borrower later
bought and sold or bequeathed.
(b) Question: If Yehudah borrowed from Shimon and then from
Levi, and acquired property, does Shimon have a lien on
it (to collect from one who buys or inherits from
Yehudah), or Levi?
(c) Answer #1 (Rav Nachman citing Chachamim of Eretz
Yisrael): Shimon has a lien.
(d) Answer #2 (Rav Huna and Rabah bar Avuha): They both have
liens (each collects proportionally to his loan).
(e) Ravina: At first, Rav Ashi said that Shimon has a lien;
later, he said that they both have liens.
(f) The Halachah is, they both have liens.
(g) Question (Beraisa): Compensation for improvements: Aharon
sold a field to Kalev; Kalev improved it, and Aharon's
creditor (Yakov) took it. Kalev can collect what he paid
from sold property, he collects the improvements from
unsold property.
1. Since Kalev is entitled to collect his improvements,
he is like a second creditor (for this amount),
Yakov should only get half of the improvements
(Kalev 'collects' (i.e. keeps) the other half)!
(h) Answer: Indeed, the Beraisa means that Yakov collects
half the improvements.
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