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Bava Basra 124
1) IN WHAT DOES A FIRSTBORN RECEIVE A DOUBLE SHARE?
(a) The Beraisa is as Rebbi.
1. (Beraisa): A firstborn does not get a double share
in increased value of the property after the
father's death;
2. Rebbi says, he gets a double share in what the
property went up in value, but not in increased
value due to the orphans..
3. If they inherited a loan document - the firstborn
collects an extra share; if a creditor produced a
document showing that their father owed them money,
the firstborn pays a double share;
i. The firstborn may say, I will neither collect
nor pay more than one share.
(b) Question: What is the reason for Chachamim?
(c) Answer: "Lases Lo Pi Shnayim" - the Torah calls it a
gift.
1. Just as a gift only takes effect after it comes to
the receiver, also the extra share of the firstborn.
(d) Rebbi expounds "Pi Shnayim" - the Torah equates the
regular share and the additional share.
1. Just as he inherits a regular share even in property
that the father did not own in his lifetime, also
the additional share.
(e) Question: What do Chachamim learn from "Pi Shnayim"?
(f) Answer: That he receives both portions in adjacent plots
.
(g) Question: What does Rebbi learn from the fact that the
Torah calls the extra share a gift?
(h) Answer: That he has the option not to receive nor pay
extra (to a creditor of the father).
(i) (Rav Papa): If a date tree got stronger, or land became
fertilized, all agree that the firstborn gets a double
share;
1. They argue about unripe produce that ripened.
2. Rebbi considers this like things that profit by
themselves; Chachamim consider it like something
new.
2) WHAT IS THE HALACHAH?
(a) Opinion #1 (Rabah Bar Chanah): If one ruled like Rebbi,
the ruling stands; if he ruled like Chachamim, the ruling
stands.
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1. He is unsure: perhaps the law is like Rebbi against
one colleague, but not against many colleagues;
2. Or, perhaps the law is like Rebbi even against many
colleagues.
(b) Opinion #2 (Rav Nachman citing Rav): It is forbidden to
rule like Rebbi.
1. He holds that the law is like Rebbi against one
colleague, but not against many.
(c) Opinion #3 (Rav Nachman himself): It is permitted to rule
like Rebbi.
1. He holds that the law is like Rebbi even against
many colleagues.
(d) Opinion #4 (Rava): It is forbidden to rule like Rebbi; if
one did, the ruling stands.
1. He holds that the general rule that (we follow Rebbi
against one colleague but) we do not follow Rebbi
against many colleagues is not absolute - it only
says that we lean towards such a ruling.
2. (Rav Nachman - Beraisa): "B'Chol Asher Yimatzei Lo"
- this excludes increased value due to the orphans
after the father died.
3. If the property went up in value by itself, the
firstborn gets an extra share of this.
4. This Beraisa is like Rebbi.
(e) (Rami Bar Chama - Beraisa): "B'Chol Asher Yimatzei Lo" -
this excludes if the property went up in value by itself,
the firstborn gets no extra share;
1. All the more so, he has no extra share in increased
value due to the orphans after the father died.
2. This Beraisa is like Chachamim.
3) DEBTS DUE TO THE FATHER
(a) (Rav Yehudah): A firstborn does not receive a double
portion in a loan due to the father.
(b) Question: According to which Tana does he speak?
1. Suggestion: If like Chachamim - they say he does not
even get an extra share in increased value of
property in the father's possession, clearly he has
no extra share in a loan!
(c) Answer #1: He said this law according to Rebbi.
(d) Objection (Beraisa): If they inherit a loan document, the
firstborn receives a double portion in the principle and
the interest.
1. If Rebbi admits that he has no extra share in a
loan, this Beraisa is not like Rebbi nor like
Chachamim!
(e) Answer #2: Really, Rav Yehudah's law is like Chachamim.
1. It was not so obvious that he has no extra share -
one might have thought that a document is considered
as if it was collected - they teach, this is not so.
(f) (Chachamim of Eretz Yisrael): (If they inherit a loan,)
the firstborn receives a double portion in the principle,
not in the interest.
(g) Question: Like which Tana is this?
1. Suggestion: If like Chachamim - they say that he
does not even get an extra share in increased value
of property in the father's possession, clearly he
has no extra share in a loan!
(h) Answer #1: It is according to Rebbi.
(i) Objection: Does Rebbi really say that he receives no
extra share in the interest?!
1. (Beraisa - Rebbi): (If they inherit a loan,) the
firstborn receives a double portion in the principal
and the interest.
(j) Answer #2: Really, it is like Chachamim.
1. A loan is considered as if it was already collected.
(k) (Ameimar): (If they inherit a loan,) the firstborn
receives a double portion in the principal, not in the
interest.
(l) (Ravina): This is the opinion of Chachamim of Nehardai
(which includes Ameimar and Rabah).
1. (Rabah): If they collected land as payment for a
debt due to their father, the firstborn gets a
double share in this; if they collected money, he
gets no extra share.
2. (Rav Nachman): If they collected land, the firstborn
gets no extra share; if they collected money, he
gets an extra share.
(m) Objection (Abaye): Both of these opinions are difficult!
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