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Bava Basra, 143
1) SEPARATING BITTER CUCUMBERS AS TERUMAH FOR SWEET CUCUMBERS
QUESTION: Rebbi Yosi in the Beraisa states that since the most bitter part
of a cucumber is its center, when one separates Terumah (such as one
cucumber for fifty cucumbers), there is a fear that one is separating a
bitter part on behalf of a sweet part. Therefore, one must separate an
additional amount from the outer part of a cucumber in order to ensure that
one has separated one part sweet cucumber for every fifty parts of sweet
cucumber.
Why is this necessary? Since all of the cucumbers are the same -- in every
cucumber, the center part is bitter and the outer part is sweet -- it should
suffice to take one cucumber for every fifty! The bitter part in this
cucumber will serve as Terumah for the bitter parts in the fifty cucumbers,
while the sweet part in this cucumber will serve as Terumah for the sweet
parts in the fifty cucumbers! The Terumah should work proportionately. Why
does Rebbi Yosi require that an additional amount of sweet cucumber be
separated in order to ensure that there is a proper amount of sweet cucumber
as Terumah for the rest?
ANSWERS:
(a) The RASHBAM explains that perhaps in the cucumber that was separated as
Terumah, the bitter part is *greater* than the bitter part in the other
cucumbers (not all cucumbers have the same proportion of bitter part to
sweet part). Therefore, one must add additional sweet parts to the Terumah.
The TOSFOS HA'ROSH (cited by the Shitah Mekubetzes) rejects this
explanation. If the only reason why one must add to the sweet part of the
Terumah is out of doubt that perhaps the cucumber that one separated had a
greater proportion of bitter parts to sweet parts than the other cucumbers,
then it should *not* be necessary, out of doubt, to separate more as
Terumah. This is because, mid'Oraisa, the rule is that "Chitah Achas Poteres
Es ha'Kri" -- a single grain of wheat exempts the entire pile and fulfills
the obligation of separating Terumah. There is no reason to be extra
stringent in a case of a doubt whether one properly separated one-fiftieth
or not, because mid'Oraisa the obligation of separated Terumah has been
fulfilled.
(b) TOSFOS and TOSFOS HA'ROSH explain that Rebbi Yosi is referring to a case
in which only the cucumbers that were separated as Terumah were found to
have bitterness in them; all of the other cucumbers had no bitterness in
them. Rebbi Yosi's statement is referring to the Mishnah in Terumos (3:1)
which states that if one separated cucumbers as Terumah and found that they
were bitter, those cucumbers that he separated have the status of Terumah
but he must separate more in order to permit the remaining cucumbers
(because there is a doubt whether the cucumbers that he separated became
bitter after he separated them, and thus the Terumah took effect, or whether
they became bitter before he separated them, and thus the Terumah did not
take effect). Rebbi Yosi argues with this and says that it suffices to just
add to the cucumbers that he separated from the outer part of other
cucumbers in order to reach the appropriate proportion for Terumah. Even the
cucumbers of Terumah that were found to be bitter are not bitter on their
outer parts such that they would not be edible, and therefore they are valid
to be separated as Terumah for the other cucumbers (although not in a
proportion of one to fifty, and that is why additional cucumbers must be
added to the Terumah).
The Tosfos ha'Rosh adds that explaining the case in this way makes it clear
what Rav Sheshes is trying to prove from the Beraisa. Rav Sheshes holds that
when a person makes a Kinyan to two recipients (such as to a person and an
animal), and one of the recipients (the animal) is not able to be Koneh, the
recipient who is able to be Koneh acquires everything; the Kinyan takes
effect in its totality for him. Rav Sheshes cites this Beraisa in support of
his view, since the Beraisa seems to say that when a person intends for
Terumah to take effect on an entire fruit, and it is unable to take effect
on part of it (such as the bitter part), the rest of the Terumah
nevertheless takes effect on the good part of the fruit. The proof,
according to the Tosfos and Tosfos, is clear, because the case of the
Beraisa is the same as that of "you and the donkey shall be Koneh." At the
time that the person separated the cucumbers as Terumah, he did not know
that there was any bitter parts in them, and he declared that it should all
be Terumah. The status of Terumah, however, did not take effect on the
bitter parts, but only on the sweet parts, and yet that suffices to remove
the status of Tevel from the remaining cucumbers, as Rav Sheshes says (that
the person is Koneh everything in a case of "you and the donkey shall be
Koneh"). It is just that the Rabanan required him to add to the sweet parts
so that there would be a proper one-fiftieth.
(According to the way that the Rashbam explains the case, there does not
seem to be any proof from this Beraisa to the view of Rav Sheshes. The
person knows that part of the cucumber is bitter and does not intend for it
to become Terumah, and that is why the bitter part does not become Terumah
and the sweet part becomes Terumah for all of the rest. If, however, he
intended that whatever he separated (both bitter and sweet) should be
Terumah, then the bitter does not become Terumah and the sweet becomes
Terumah only for *half* (i.e. in proportion to the quantity of sweet fruit
in the pile) -- like Rav Nachman! See also MAHARSHAL and MAHARSHA.) (I.
Alsheich)
143b
2) "MY PROPERTY SHALL BE GIVEN TO MY SONS"
QUESTION: The Gemara discusses a case in which a man gave a gift of his
estate by saying, "My property shall be given to my sons," and he had only a
son and a daughter. The Gemara asks whether it is the manner for people to
call one son, "my sons," or whether he was referring to both of his
children, his son and his daughter. The Gemara cites the verse, "And the
sons of Dan were Chushim" (Bereishis 46:23), as proof that a person refers
to his only son as "my sons." Rava says that this verse is no proof, because
perhaps it is teaching, as the Tana of Bei Chizkiyah says, that the sons of
Dan were as numerous as the "Chushim" (strands or leaves) of reeds. Rather,
Rava says that we can prove it from the verse, "And the sons of Palu were
Eli'av" (Bamidbar 26:8). Rav Yosef says that we can prove it from the verse,
"And the sons of Eisan were Azaryah" (Divrei ha'Yamim I 2:8).
The Gemara's conclusion, therefore, is clearly that a person *does* refer to
his only son as "my sons."
If a person refers to his only son as "my sons," and thus when he says that
his property shall be given to his "sons" he means that his son, and not his
daughter, should receive it, then why did he make this statement altogether?
Without such a statement, his son -- and not his daughter -- would inherit
all of his property through the law of Yerushah! (TOSFOS and Rishonim)
ANSWERS:
(a) TOSFOS and the RASHBA answer that perhaps the man wrote a will document
("Daiteki") granting his property as a gift to someone else, and now he
wishes to retract that gift (which he has the power to do if he wrote the
first document while he was a Shechiv Mera, because "Daiteki Mevateles
Daiteki," as the Gemara teaches on 135b). Thus, he must make a new statement
of intent as to whom he wishes his property to be given, and that is why he
makes this statement. (Even if he was a healthy person and not a Shechiv
Mera, he can retract the gift that he gave if he specifically wrote that he
was giving it on condition that he not change his mind, and now he is
changing his mind.)
(b) The MAHARSHAL points out that the words that were accidentally printed
in the text of the Gemara (which are now excluded with parentheses) is an
answer to this question. The reason why the man specifically stated that he
wanted all of his property to be given to his son even though his son would
have inherited him even had he not made such a statement, is because he
wanted to prevent his daughter from receiving a tenth of the property.
Although a daughter does not inherit any part of her father's estate when
there are sons to inherit it, the Rabanan enacted that she receive a tenth
of the estate upon her engagement, to provide her needs for the marriage. By
adding the statement, "All of my property shall be given to my sons," his
intention is that a tenth of his estate shall not be given to his daughter.
The MAHARSHA points out that the reason why Tosfos did not give this answer
is because it does not apply to the next case of the Gemara, in which a man
says, "All of my property shall be given to my sons," and he has a son and a
grandson. The Gemara concludes that there, too, a man does not refer to his
grandson as his son, and thus he means to give his property to his son. Why,
though, did he make this statement, if anyway his son will inherit all of
his property? In that case, only the answer of Tosfos and the Rashba will
apply, but not the answer that his intention is to prevent his daughter from
receiving a tenth of the estate (since, in that case, there is no daughter).
(I. Alsheich)
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