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Avodah Zarah 75
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1) DRYING VESSELS
(a) Question: How do we dry vessels?
(b) Answer #1 (Rav): We use water (this will be explained).
(c) Answer #2 (Rabah bar bar Chanah): We use ashes.
(d) Objection: Does Rav say that we use only water, does
Rabah bar bar Chanah say that we use only ashes?!
(e) Answer: No - each mentioned one, he agrees that we also
use the other;
1. They do not argue - when it is wet, we first apply
ashes; when it is dry, we first apply water.
(f) (In all the following versions, we always alternate
between applications of water and ashes. When it is wet,
we first apply ashes; when it is dry, we first apply
water. The last application is always water, but
sometimes this is not counted.)
(g) Version #1 - Chachamim of Sura - (Rav): There are (a
total of) two or three applications of water and ashes
(depending on whether it was wet or dry, as will be
explained)
(h) (Shmuel): There are three or four applications.
(i) Version #2 - Chachamim of Pumbadisa - (Rav): There are
three or four applications;
(j) (Shmuel): There are four or five applications. (End of
Version #2)
(k) They do not argue - one of them does not count the final
application of water (but he admits that it must be
done), the other counts it.
(l) (Version A (Rashi's Rebbi'im): According to Chachamim of
Pumbadisa, Rav and Shmuel do not argue with each other -
Rav does not count the final application of water (but he
admits that it must be done), Shmuel counts it.
1. According to Chachamim of Sura, Rav and Shmuel both
count the final application of water, they argue
with each other - Rav requires ashes (1) and water
(2) when it is wet; when it is dry, he adds another
application of water at the beginning. Shmuel agrees
when it is dry, but if it was wet, he requires ashes
(1), water (2), ashes (3), water (4). (See table on
this Daf.)
(m) Version B (Rashi's father): The Chachamim of Sura and
Pumbadisa do not argue with each other - the former do
not count the final application of water, the latter do.
(n) Version C (Tosfos): Chachamim of Sura and Pumbadisa argue
with each other, but each of them holds that Rav and
Shmuel do not argue with each other - Rav does not count
the final application of water, Shmuel counts it.)
2) "TAHARAH" AND "HECHSHER" OF VESSELS USED WITH WINE OR OIL
(a) Question: What is the law of Akalim (a net of poles tied
around grapes or olives being pressed) of Nochrim?
(b) Answer (R. Avahu - Beraisa): To Metaher a Gas or
olivepress (used with Tamei wine or oil), one must rinse
the boards, brooms and tub (used to press, gather and
hold the grapes or olives);
1. Akalim of shoots and of Kanvus (hemp) must be dried;
2. If it is of rush (marsh reeds), one must wait 12
months before using them.
3. R. Shimon ben Gamliel says, one must wait until the
next season of pressing grapes or olives.
4. (Rambam - additionally, all these vessels must be
immersed; Me'iri - vessels of wood (or other
vegetation) without an interior cannot become Tamei,
it suffices to purge the Tamei liquids absorbed in
them).
5. Question: What is the difference between the first
Tana and R. Shimon ben Gamliel? (There is one
pressing season per year, after the harvest.)
6. Answer: There can be more (or less) than 12 months
if the grapes or olives are late (or early) to
ripen.
7. R. Yosi says, one may Metaher them immediately by
Hag'alah (putting them in boiling water), or
scalding (pouring over them) using water in which
olives were cooked).
8. R. Shimon ben Gamliel says (in R. Yosi's name) that
one may put them under a flow of water from a pipe
or in a spring for an Onah (a period of time, it
will be explained).
9. Just as we Kasher from Yayin Nesech, we Metaher.
10. Objection: This Beraisa taught how to Metaher, not
how to Kasher!
11. Correction: Rather, just as we Metaher, we Kasher
from Yayin Nesech.
(c) Question: What is an Onah?
(d) Answer #1 (R. Chiya bar Aba citing R. Yochanan): A day
(morning until evening) or a night.
(e) Answer #2 (R. Chana Sheina citing R. Yochanan): Twelve
hours.
(f) (R. Shmuel bar Yitzchak): All agree, it is always 12
hours - R. Chiya bar Aba refers to Nisan or Tishrei, when
the day and night are each 12 hours.
(g) (Rav Yehudah): Strainers of Nochrim:
1. If they are made of hair, it suffices to rinse them;
2. If they are made of wool, it suffices to dry them;
3. If they are made of linen, one must leave them for
12 months before using them;
i. If they have knots, one must untie them (before
drying them - Rashi; Ramban - or before leaving
them for 12 months).
(h) Baskets for straining wine:
1. If they are made of ropes of date shoots, it
suffices to rinse them;
2. If they are made of reeds, it suffices to dry them;
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3. If they are made of linen, one must leave them for
12 months;
i. If they have knots, one must untie them.
(i) (Rebbi or R. Chiya): If an ignoramus (who is Muchzak to
be Tamei) touched grape clusters (resting in wine in a
Gas), they and the surrounding clusters are Teme'im, the
rest of the Gas is Tahor;
(j) (The other of Rebbi and R. Chiya): The entire Gas is
Tamei.
(k) Question: According to the first opinion, why is this
different than a Sheretz found in a grinder?
1. (Mishnah): If a Sheretz was found in an
olive-grinder, only what it touched is Tamei;
2. If oil was flowing around the olives, everything
(touching the oil) is Tamei.
(l) Answer: There, the Sheretz touched olives in the oil;
here, the ignoramus touched the branches, they themselves
do not touch the wine (rather, the grapes do).
(m) Rabanan told R. Yirmeyah to conduct according to the
first opinion.
3) "KASHERING" VESSELS OF NOCHRIM
(a) (Mishnah): If one buys from a Nochri a utensil used for
food:
1. If it does not need to be Kashered, it suffices to
immerse it;
2. If boiling liquids are cooked in it, it is Kashered
through Hag'alah;
3. If it is used to cook over a fire without liquid,
Libun is needed (he makes it glowing hot);
i. A roasting spit or grill is Kashered through
Libun.
4. A knife is Kashered by rubbing it on a sharpening
stone.
(b) (Gemara - Beraisa): All of these must be immersed in a
Mikveh of 40 Sa'im (Ramban - after it is Kashered; Tosfos
- before or after Kashering).
(c) Question: What is the source of this?
(d) Answer (Rava): "Kol Davar Asher Yavo ba'Esh Ta'aviru
ba'Esh *v'Taher*" - the Torah requires an additional
Taharah after Kashering.
(e) Question (Bar Kapara): Since it says "B'Mei Nidah
Yischata" (which refers to sprinkling with Mei Chatas
(water on which ashes of the Parah Adumah were put)),
perhaps one must sprinkle on it on the third and seventh
day!
(f) Answer: "Ach" excludes this (unless the vessel is Tamei
Mes).
(g) Question: If so, why does it say "B'Mei Nidah"?
(h) Answer: This teaches that he must immerse it in water
that a Nidah could immerse in, i.e. a Mikveh of 40 Sa'im.
(i) The Torah must say "V'Taher", and also "B'Mei Nidah":
1. If it only said "V'Taher", one might have thought
that a Mikveh of any size suffices - "B'Mei Nidah"
teaches, 40 Sa'im are needed;
2. If it only said "B'Mei Nidah", one might have
thought that the vessel may not be used until
Ha'arev Shemesh (the night after immersion) -
"V'Taher" teaches that it is permitted immediately
after immersion.
(j) (Rav Nachman): Even new vessels must be immersed, for
after Libun, a used vessel is like new (and the Torah
requires immersion).
(k) Question (Rav Sheshes): If so, even scissors used for
cutting wool should require immersion!
(l) Answer (Rav Nachman): The Parshah only discusses vessels
(similar to those used with fire, i.e. vessels) used for
food.
(m) (Rav Nachman): The obligation to immerse is only when one
buys from a Nochri, similar to the spoils of Midyan
(which were taken to keep), not if one borrows a vessel.
(n) R. Yitzchak bar Yosef thought to immerse a vessel made of
dirt (that he bought from a Nochri).
(o) R. Ya'akov: The Parshah only discusses metal vessels
(nothing else need be immersed).
(p) (Rav Ashi): Since glass vessels can be (melted and) made
again if they break, they resemble metal vessels, they
require immersion.
(q) (Rav Acha or Ravina): The law of an earthenware vessel
plated with lead is like the law of the original vessel
(earthenware, it need not be immersed);
(r) (The other of Rav Acha and Ravina): It has the law of the
plating (metal, it must be immersed).
1. The Halachah is, it has the law of the plating.
(s) Question: If a Nochri gave a vessel as a security for a
loan, is this considered like a sale?
1. Mar bar Rav Ashi: My father received a silver cup as
a security, and he immersed it;
2. I do not know whether he holds that giving a
security is (always) like a sale, or if he immersed
it because he sensed that the Nochri would never
pay, rather, he would let him keep it.
4) THE METHOD OF "KASHERING"
(a) (Beraisa): If a Yisrael buys a new vessel from a Nochri,
it suffices to immerse it;
(b) If he buys a used vessel:
1. If it was used with cold food, such as cups and
flasks, he rinses and immerses it;
2. If it was used with hot liquids, such as pots and
kettles, he does Hag'alah and immerses it;
3. If it is used to cook over a fire without liquid,
such as spits and grills, he does Libun and immerses
it.
(c) (Beraisa #1): If he used it before immersing (Ramban;
Tosfos - before rinsing), Hag'alah or Libun, the food it
forbidden;
(d) Contradiction (Beraisa #2): The food is permitted.
(e) Resolution: The first Tana holds that Nosen Ta'am li'Fgam
is forbidden (we assume that it is not a Ben Yomo, i.e.
the Nochri did not cook in it in the last day, any
absorbed taste is detrimental), the second Tana holds
that it is permitted.
(f) Question: According to the opinion that Nosen Ta'am
li'Fgam is permitted, why did the Torah require Kashering
the vessels taken from Midyan?
(g) Answer (Rav Chiya bar Rav Huna): The Torah only requires
Kashering a Ben Yomo, it is Nosen Ta'am li'Shvach.
(h) Question: Vessels of Nochrim should not need to be
Kashered if they will not be used the same day!
(i) Answer: Chachamim decreed to Kasher them, lest they will
be used the same day.
1. The opinion that Nosen Ta'am li'Fgam is forbidden
holds that even absorptions in a Ben Yomo are
slightly Pagum (therefore, we do not distinguish;
all absorptions are forbidden, even after a day when
they are very Pagum).
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