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Avodah Zarah 69
AVODAH ZARAH 69-71 - Three Dafim have been sponsored through the generous
grant of an anonymous donor in Flatbush, NY.
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1) A MOUSE THAT FELL INTO VINEGAR
(a) Question: If a mouse fell into vinegar what is the law?
(b) Answer #1 (Rav Hilel): A case occurred, Rav Kahana
forbade the vinegar.
(c) Rejection (Rav Ashi): He forbade because the mouse was
decimated into tiny pieces, one who ingests the vinegar
would eat those pieces (but if the mouse was whole,
perhaps the vinegar is permitted)!
(d) (Ravina): (Even though mice have a strong taste), we are
not more stringent than when Terumah falls into Chulin,
if the (volume of) the vinegar is 100 times (that of) the
mouse, it is permitted.
(e) Rejection (Rav Tachlifa bar Giza): Perhaps the mouse is
considered like spices of Terumah - since they are added
to give taste, they are not Batul, even if the Chulin is
more than 100 times their volume!
(f) Rav Achai would permit if the (volume of) the vinegar is
50 times the mouse. (Normally, we require 60 times -
since vinegar is strong, things do not impart taste to it
so easily.)
(g) Rav Shmuel brei d'Rav Ika required 60 times as much when
it fell into beer.
(h) The Halachah is, whether a mouse fell into beer or
vinegar, 60 times is needed, like (standard) prohibitions
of the Torah.
2) CONCERN THAT A NOCHRI OPENED A BARREL OF WINE
(a) (Mishnah): If a Nochri was transporting barrels of wine
with a Yisrael:
1. If the barrels are in Chezkas ha'Mishtamer (the
status of being guarded) and the Yisrael went away,
the wine is permitted;
2. If the Yisrael told the Nochri that he will not
return for a period of time enough to pierce (Rashi
- the plug; Rambam - the lid), seal it and for the
sealing to dry, it is forbidden.
3. R. Shimon ben Gamliel says, if it is enough to break
open the (seal on) the lid (Rambam; Rashi - plug
(surely, the plug will break), make a new plug and)
seal it, and for the sealing to dry, it is
forbidden.
(b) If a Yisrael left a Nochri on a wagon or ship with
barrels of wine, and took a shortcut:
1. Even if the Yisrael entered the city and bathed in a
bathhouse, the wine is permitted;
2. If he told him that he will not return for the time
to pierce, seal and dry, it is forbidden;
3. R. Shimon ben Gamliel says, if it is enough to open,
seal and dry, it is forbidden.
(c) If a Yisrael left a Nochri in a store with barrels of
wine:
1. Even if he goes in and out, the wine is permitted;
2. If he told him that he will not return for the time
to pierce, seal and dry, it is forbidden;
3. R. Shimon ben Gamliel says, if it is enough to open,
seal and dry, it is forbidden.
(d) If a Yisrael ate with a Nochri, and left flasks of wine
on the table and Dulbaki (a small table), wine on the
table is forbidden, wine on the Dulbaki is permitted;
1. If he said 'Dilute (the wine, as was normally done
before drinking) and drink', even the wine on the
Dulbaki is forbidden;
2. Open barrels of wine (in the house) are forbidden,
closed barrels are forbidden if he was away long
enough to open, seal and dry.
(e) (Gemara) Question: What is Chezkas ha'Mishtamer?
(f) Answer (The Yisrael could return suddenly, therefore the
Nochri fears to touch), just like we establish the
following Beraisa.
1. (Beraisa): If Reuven's workers (ignoramuses, who do
not properly observe laws of Tum'ah) were carrying
Taharos, even if he went more than a Mil (which
takes about 18 minutes to walk) away, the Taharos
are Tehorim;
i. If he told him 'Go, I will come after you',
once they leave his view, the Taharos are
(assumed to be) Teme'im.
2. Question: Why is the law different in the two cases?
3. Answer (R. Yitzchak): In the first clause, Reuven
was Metaher his workers.
4. Question: This is also a reason to Metaher (the
Taharos) in the second clause (the only difference
is what he told his workers)!
5. Answer: Ignoramuses do not stop other ignoramuses
from touching Taharos (perhaps another ignoramus
touched them).
6. Question: This is also a reason to Metamei in the
first clause!
7. Answer (Rava): The case is, there is a crooked path
on which Reuven could return suddenly, the workers
fear to let others touch.
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8. Question: This is also a reason to Metaher in the
second clause!
9. Answer: Since Reuven said that he will come later,
they are not afraid.
(g) (Mishnah): If a Yisrael left a Nochri on a wagon or
ship...If a Yisrael left a Nochri in a store...
(h) We must teach all these cases.
1. If we only taught about transporting barrels, one
might have thought that there, the Nochri fears that
the Yisrael will see him, but on a wagon or ship,
the Nochri can take it far away;
2. If we only taught about a wagon or ship, one might
have thought that there, the Nochri fears that the
Yisrael will take a different path and see him, but
in a store, he can close the door and do as he
pleases.
(i) (Rabah bar bar Chanah): Chachamim argue with R. Shimon
ben Gamliel when the cork is made of plaster, but if it
is made of mud, they agree that we are concerned only for
opening it, not making a hole (for mud does not turn
white until it dries for a day, it would be evident that
he made a hole and sealed it).
(j) Question (Beraisa): R. Shimon ben Gamliel said to
Chachamim: If he will make a hole (and seal it), this
will be evident above and below!
1. If they argue regarding mud, we understand why it is
evident above (it did not whiten) and below (he
cannot totally seal it below).
2. But if they argue regarding plaster, this is evident
below, but not above!
(k) Answer: R. Shimon ben Gamliel was unsure of Chachamim's
opinion, he says that in any case he argues:
1. If you (Chachamim) argue regarding mud, this is
evident above and below!
2. If you (Chachamim) argue regarding plaster, this is
not evident above, but it is evident below!
3. Chachamim argue regarding plaster - because it is
not evident above, perhaps the Yisrael will not look
below (he will assume that no hole was made).
4. Alternatively, Chachamim are concerned that the
Nochri will be able to fill the entire hole, it will
not be evident below.
3) THE HALACHAH
(a) (Rava): The Halachah follows R. Shimon ben Gamliel,
because he holds like an anonymous Mishnah (our text,
Rashi - the end of our Mishnah; many Rishonim consider
the clauses of our Mishnah to be separate Mishnayos, the
clause Rava brings is a Mishnah that comes *after* our
Gemara, therefore it is quoted in its entirety, and it is
obviously considered anonymous).
(b) (Mishnah): If a Yisrael ate with a Nochri, and left
flasks of wine on the table and Dulbaki, wine on the
table is forbidden, wine on the Dulbaki is permitted;
1. If he said 'Dilute (the wine, as was normally done
before drinking) and drink', even the wine on the
Dulbaki is forbidden;
2. Open barrels of wine (in the house) are forbidden,
closed barrels are forbidden if he was away long
enough to open, seal and dry.
(c) Question: This is obvious (what is Rava's Chidush?)!
(d) Answer: One might have thought, this is the continuation
of R. Shimon's opinion regarding the store - Rava
teaches, this is not so.
(e) Question: Since the Halachah follows R. Shimon, and the
Halachah follows R. Eliezer (who is not concerned that a
Nochri will forge a new seal), why is it forbidden to
deposit sealed barrels of wine with Nochrim?
(f) Answer: We are concerned that they will siphon wine out
of the narrow airhole.
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